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allgivenover · **07-11-2013, 03:41 PM**

It's true that the Rakka bro's have no issue with Seeker girls, even if it came out that Seekers and Keepers have a historical rivalry I still wouldn't change it, those two have been living in the cities for nearly five years now.

Also, I RP Rakka'li as much more enjoying the night time rather than the day time, he also prefers to cover up when it's bright out, but he still functions during the day, though I imagine that he prefers not to wake up until midday at the earliest.

Savarah · **07-11-2013, 03:46 PM**

(07-11-2013, 05:20 AM)C'io Wrote:
(07-10-2013, 11:18 PM)Seregelleth Wrote: Well if you ask ME, I feel the Seeker culture is quite primitive. Ten or more females to one 'alpha' male? Please. -flicks Keeper ears-

Heh, 'alpha' is a misnomer. You notice how we make the men fight to prove they're good enough? Seeker women don't have to prove a thing. We're the real alphas here!

Well when you put it that way, it almost makes me want to swap sides. I picture a bunch of Seeker females sitting in a small coliseum-like structure, sipping drinks and watching men fight.

allgivenover · **07-11-2013, 03:59 PM**

I imagine that's not far off from what actually happens.

Aysun · **07-11-2013, 05:23 PM**

I haven't personally observed any implied or direct racism between the two clans in game. They don't interact much, due to cultural and locational differences (diurnal/nocturnal; Limsa Lominsa & Sagolii Desert/Black Shroud & Gridania), but obviously we as adventurers will see each other a lot more.

Sini'to Shadar · **07-11-2013, 06:16 PM**

Yeah, exactly. Also i guess Keeper adventurers will at least to some extend adjust to daytime living, just because of merchants or other "normal" townsfolk.Â

What else comes to my mind: It is said people are rather tolerant in Eorzea, also there is no known rivalry betwen the two clans. But it is said that Seeker/Keeper parents who got a child got banned/exiled from their tribes... that on the other hanbd doesnt speak of great tolerance...
I can't find the source again, but i clearly remember reading that somewhere.

Aysun · **07-11-2013, 06:32 PM**

Just because they don't display racism doesn't mean they are tolerant and they wouldn't be upset if their child went against their tradition or some such. Smile

Merri · **07-11-2013, 06:36 PM**

There is a stigma against Moonkeepers as a whole, though. A large number of Moonkeepers settled in the shroud, and turned to "poaching" to survive. Some see it as a means of survival, others as a way of life, but given the nature of the twelveswood and the elementals it's an absolute no-go in the eyes of Gridania.

Poaching is strictly forbidden, and a large number of Moonkeepers have established the stigma of them being related to poaching in the shroud.

So there is some animosity floating from that, and certain characters might feed into that stereotype and run with it, but naturally not everyone will.

Sini'to Shadar · **07-11-2013, 06:37 PM**

I did look around again and have to correct myself: "The parents and child may be also be shunned by both tribes, depending on their stance on inter-tribal breeding."
from: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Miqo%27te/Naming

It's a possibility, no rule.

DSCH · **07-11-2013, 08:02 PM**

I thought of a few more question that is somewhat related to this topic.

How close to lore should I stay with my character history? Would it be unreasonable to have self-contained family unit of Seekers rather than a situation with one male and several females?

Aysun · **07-11-2013, 09:58 PM**

(07-11-2013, 08:02 PM)DSCH Wrote: I thought of a few more question that is somewhat related to this topic.

How close to lore should I stay with my character history? Would it be unreasonable to have self-contained family unit of Seekers rather than a situation with one male and several females?

There are plenty of non-tribal Seekers in lore. They often live in Limsa Lominsa.

And yea, there is an overall stigma against Keepers, mostly held by Gridanians, however.

Sini'to Shadar · **07-12-2013, 06:20 AM**

As i see it, for the Seeker clans, there is not one big family for each Letter tribe. It's more like each Tribe (K, or every other letter) is again divided into several "units" and i guess these several units can vary in size. So a small family unit could be possible, at least in my opinion (although it would be uncommon. It would still not be a "typical" one father/mother constellation if its traditional tribe like).

As gridanian Keeper i want to add, yeah there is this stigma, but it is also said that this stigma is getting less common around our playtime, since more and more Keepers decide to live in Gridania itself and the townsfolk more and more accept them into their city-community over time.

FreelanceWizard · **07-12-2013, 08:48 AM**

A lot of the active dislike seems to be between the Wildwood Elezen and the Keepers of the Moon, at least if the Archer quest line is indicative of the overall feelings in the city. That said, a miqo'te in the Archer guild who gives you a delivery quest right at the beginning of the game refers to Gridanians as being "prickly," though that may be because she's new to the city.

On the topic of family units, there's a dev post that talks about how the big tribes break into smaller units when a tia secures hunting grounds; at that point, the tia becomes a nunh of the tribe, but only inside that area. What traditional Seekers definitely do not do is have a standard Western nuclear family -- at least not without consequences from their tribal brethren.

EDIT: Which is not to say that it's not possible, just that they'd have to be a small "subtribe" as described above, outcasts, city-state dwellers, or somehow associated with the more cosmopolitan culture of adventurers. As Aysun noted, those who live in the city-states usually deviate from their traditional cultures -- dramatically so in the case of the miqo'te (which is really the only explanation I can come up with for the mismatch between lore and NPCs Smile

). Even then, though, traditionalist miqo'te will probably find those miqo'te dangerously misguided at best and "race traitors" at worst.

C'io Behkt · **07-12-2013, 11:23 AM**

(07-11-2013, 08:02 PM)DSCH Wrote: How close to lore should I stay with my character history? Would it be unreasonable to have self-contained family unit of Seekers rather than a situation with one male and several females?

As near or far as you'd like! Something I'm noticing in the writing of FFXIV is that the races/species are rarely locked up by confining traits. In the same way as you have all kinds of people in real life who come from all kinds of circumstances, the same is true here. There are dainty city miqo'te, hardy city miqo'te, swarthy miqo'te pirates, poacher miqo'te, erudite scholar miqo'te, trader miqo'te... everything. I've even seen miqo'te (and all other races) among the ranks of the Empire! So it'll be the same with tradition: some will have steered away, some will have kept and adhered, others will now believe that all the miqo'te of Eorzea are heathen scum who must be crushed under-heel in a glorious crusade... The field really is very open, Smile

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(07-11-2013, 09:58 PM)Aysun Wrote: There are plenty of non-tribal Seekers in lore. They often live in Limsa Lominsa.

And yea, there is an overall stigma against Keepers, mostly held by Gridanians, however.

I just visited Limsa Lominsa and the miqo'te there are frightening! Hanging off the arms of pirates and flirting with sailors!! They have forgotten themselves! /trauma ;;

DSCH · **07-12-2013, 03:40 PM**

I kind of figured some in the city-states might be less inclined to observe the tribal structure, but I just thought I'd make sure because I've been on some RP forums that were strict about lore almost to the point of being stifling.

Savarah · **07-12-2013, 03:46 PM**

(07-12-2013, 08:48 AM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: A lot of the active dislike seems to be between the Wildwood Elezen and the Keepers of the Moon, at least if the Archer quest line is indicative of the overall feelings in the city. That said, a miqo'te in the Archer guild who gives you a delivery quest right at the beginning of the game refers to Gridanians as being "prickly," though that may be because she's new to the city.

I think that, regarding the Archer quest line, the Wildwood Elezen simply have contempt for anyone trying to follow "their" ways and traditions. Silvairre at least displays that Wildwood elitism.

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