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Korin · **08-25-2013, 05:33 PM**

(08-25-2013, 05:27 PM)CrimsonMars Wrote: I'd much prefer it if I keep my current characters. I just don't like the feeling of starting all over. I will however, be willing to transfer them to another sever depending on the cost when it is available.

I still don't mind choosing another sever over Gil though. I mean, why were we dead set on it anyway? It's just a server...

I'd like to know that too. From whatÂ I hear one or two other non-RP communities chose Gilgamesh but folks still wanted to go there, for whatever reason. I've just seen enough communities separated across servers before, and they usually disperse into tiny cliques or they just cease to exist.

I'm a little concerned that this Gilgamesh VS <insert realm here> might cause something of a conflict. Hopefully not, but I've seen similar situations before - Hopefully the server problem will be resolved soon though.

raindrops · **08-25-2013, 05:33 PM**

I'd prefer to move. I have a lot of time invested in my Gilgamesh character but I'd rather give up that time than deal with a splintered community + constant server issues.Â

It's important to note that a server with a lower population but a higher ratio of RPers to normal players would be a lot more welcoming to new people when they come, too, because they're a lot more likely to run into random RPers who are happy to show them the ropes. Gilgamesh isn't going to have that advantage - even if they can make a character on there the chances that any given person they run into will be an RPer are very low. And while I don't personally consider trolls a problem, fear of trolls will be - it'll make people a lot more wary about the kind of open RP that'll help people get involved and feel included and encourage people to keep their playing to linkshells/partychats/the like.

Even if we're all on the same server, groups keeping to themselves for fear of trolls will fragment the community more than being on different servers.

Fenrir · **08-25-2013, 05:36 PM**

(08-25-2013, 05:28 PM)Rhialee Wrote: I also see the problem of trying to figure out which server is low enough in population to suggest to the role players who are currently staring at a closed character creation or a full World. I haven't seen any way of checking how full or empty a World is and currently it feels that almost all NA/EU Worlds are beginning to reach the population limit.

I am not against a third World to be picked, but it remains a hassle. Even more so with this being early access and the errors being all over the place. The official launch lets in the people who weren't able to preorder (like me) or were too late to do so, adding to the pressure the Worlds are already suffering from. Yoshida has already admitted the Worlds are reaching their limit and warned everyone that removing the limit won't make it any better for anyone. These warnings and heads-ups make it feel like picking a third server is pointless unless you can convince a whole role play population to head over to a Japanese server and also stay there for (perhaps) a few months until SE has managed to work out the kinks and made their servers a whole lot more stronger to handle the player/character capacity.

It's definitely true that we can't know the server population things on other servers, but a little google-fu makes it seem like Faerie, for example, is also popular with the FFXIVrealm website people.Â Behemoth as well seems to have a sizable interest from other groups.Â Of course, this is all based off the vocal population, which as we know will always be a shadow of the true population.

Konoe · **08-25-2013, 05:38 PM**

I'm just waiting the storm out until I can hopefully log onto Gilg and get back to hangin' with the cool kids. Hold tight everyone. D:

If the storm DOESN'T blow over then I'll just see where the chips land. I'm sure it'll be less crazy fairly soon. For now, however: ~one simply has not the time for this!

Fenrir · **08-25-2013, 05:45 PM**

Another thing worth noting is that even after everything settles down, Gilgamesh will still be home of a few populations besides RPers that will keep the population high, and will likely suffer from server transfer restrictions.

thealmightypoe · **08-25-2013, 05:47 PM**

lol it's launch week. Servers are always full, people are always jerks on chats. It's the way of the MMO.

Just hold steady and see what happens after a few weeks.

Vee · **08-25-2013, 05:49 PM**

(08-25-2013, 05:33 PM)raindrops Wrote: I'd prefer to move. I have a lot of time invested in my Gilgamesh character but I'd rather give up that time than deal with a splintered community + constant server issues.Â

It's important to note that a server with a lower population but a higher ratio of RPers to normal players would be a lot more welcoming to new people when they come, too, because they're a lot more likely to run into random RPers who are happy to show them the ropes. Gilgamesh isn't going to have that advantage - even if they can make a character on there the chances that any given person they run into will be an RPer are very low. And while I don't personally consider trolls a problem,Â fear ofÂ trolls will be - it'll make people a lot more wary about the kind of open RP that'll help people get involved and feel included and encourage people to keep their playing to linkshells/partychats/the like.

Even if we're all on the same server, groups keeping to themselves for fear of trolls will fragment the community more than being on different servers.

I know you're trying to be nice here but lots of people that have had a chance to play on Gilgamesh, have said that when they were able to play they had very little problems with running into trolls and most of us have actually "run into" other roleplayers quite frequently. I just want to clear that up because if this thread shouldn't be about making a new community but an alternative place to play while the servers are capped. Unless the RPC wants to upheave 100+ members in the Gilgamesh OOC Linkshell, I'm not sure they'll feel very good about having a third server added to their roster.

With the OOC Linkshell for Gilgamesh (Balmung has one as well) it sort of casts aside the fear of not finding people to roleplay with, not being able to find groups or people to show you what's what in my mind at least. There will be plenty of people there and ready to help anyone if they just ask.

Though you are right, if you go to a lower population server you may see less congestion but I wouldn't be able to say if it would be 'easier' to find people to RP with or not. Like I said before, GW2's larger server Jade Quarry locked out people for several days at Launch not even early release, so give it a few days, or wait until release to be so proactive about something like this.

If it's still an issue then maybe bring it up.

raindrops · **08-25-2013, 06:08 PM**

Like I said, it's not actual trolls I'm worried about. It's the fact that the bigger name communities attached to Gilgamesh have reputations (just as RPers have reputations among them), even if those reputations don't reflect the people playing there. And that's going to make newer players a lot more wary. I've played there without problems, but that doesn't change the fact that people are going to be deterred from open RP.

In addition, RPers on a high population server may well result in hostility if these problems do turn out to be ongoing. The various communities are all likely to blame the other two for their problems.

The other worlds ARE reaching limits, of course, but Gilgamesh reached its limit, if reddit is to be believed, just 15 minutes after the launch and has not left it except for short times immediately post-maintenance since. It also likely has a much larger queue of people waiting to pounce it to be with their friends than the other servers, especially the newer ones added during P4. I don't think you can seriously argue that every other server is just as bad. Even when server changing is implemented, Gilgamesh is the most likely server to have restrictions placed on moving there.

Honestly, I'm a little concerned that most of the pro-gilgamesh responses are coming from people who are having no problems at all, and are basically saying 'wellÂ I'mÂ having fun so I don't see why you're complaining'. Yes, upheaval is a problem. Yes, people won't want to go. Yes, naming a new server now would be a hassle and result in some splintering. But I don't see why the people who literally can't go to Gilgamesh should be the ones to move and lose progress either. And if it's this or small groups going wherever I'll take the kind of splintering that's the result of people having too much fun to leave over the kind caused by people not being able to play at all.

Bluefear · **08-25-2013, 06:12 PM**

(08-25-2013, 05:30 PM)Isis Wrote: If push comes to shove I am probably moving to Behemoth with a group of friends. (who still despite their best efforts could not get on during phase 4 or now during early access] Pretty sure this was already put to a vote. The sad reality is the community is being split involuntarily and instead of bicker about it we need to act quickly before the other servers fill and we are left out in the cold...again.

Now then to those who are homeless (serverless) what say you to Behemoth where there is already a small group formed?

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I would suggest a server with a lower population than Behemoth. I feel by Tuesday (the day the game actually launches) Behemoth will be no better off than Gilgamesh and Balmung.

As for the debate about whether or not to add a third RP server--I don't see why not? It seems like most of the people who are able to login on Gilgamesh/Balmung are against it, but then again, they are able to login. By suggesting a third server you are allowing people who are unable to get on Gilgamesh/Balmung a chance at organization. If you do not give them this opportunity then all of those locked out are just going to randomly select a server and be scattered more than necessary.

I'm not saying this is going to happen, but you do realize that Gilgamesh/Balmung might not be available for 30 days or more?

Fenrir · **08-25-2013, 06:16 PM**

(08-25-2013, 06:12 PM)Bluefear Wrote:
(08-25-2013, 05:30 PM)Isis Wrote: If push comes to shove I am probably moving to Behemoth with a group of friends. (who still despite their best efforts could not get on during phase 4 or now during early access] Pretty sure this was already put to a vote. The sad reality is the community is being split involuntarily and instead of bicker about it we need to act quickly before the other servers fill and we are left out in the cold...again.

Now then to those who are homeless (serverless) what say you to Behemoth where there is already a small group formed?
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I would suggest a server with a lower population than Behemoth. I feel by Tuesday (the day the game actually launches) Behemoth will be no better off than Gilgamesh and Balmung.

As for the debate about whether or not to add a third RP server--I don't see why not? It seems like most of the people who are able to login on Gilgamesh/Balmung are against it, but then again, they are able to login. By suggesting a third server you are allowing people who are unable to get on Gilgamesh/Balmung a chance at organization. If you do not give them this opportunity then all of those locked out are just going to randomly select a server and be scattered more than necessary.

I'm not saying this is going to happen, but you do realize that Gilgamesh/Balmung might not be available for 30 days or more?

Lamia, I tells ya.

wait no, somebody's telling me it's not open for chargen either?

Korin · **08-25-2013, 06:18 PM**

(08-25-2013, 06:08 PM)raindrops Wrote: The other worlds ARE reaching limits, of course, but Gilgamesh reached its limit, if reddit is to be believed, just 15 minutes after the launch and has not left it except for short times immediately post-maintenance since.

I can second that. I was up and moving before the servers opened, logged on about ten minutes after that and after creating my character, I couldn't make him on Gilgamesh.

As a new player I was a little disappointed that I didn't really even have the time to -create- the character before the server filled up.

So yeah, it was pretty much 15 minutes after launch. Too many communities jumping in at once. But it's still only day two, and I doÂ reckon that it'll slow down after a while. Hopefully space will free up as people return to work/school/college etc. Some people might just get bored after the first few days. I've joined games before with a few people who tend to quit after the first few days because it wasn't what they thought it'd be. I can be super optimistic here and I'm still checking to see if I can create a character on Gilgamesh when possible, but I suppose I haven't been around these forums for long enough to become particularly attached to one community or the other. I have been in that situation though, and I can understand also why some people would be getting particularly annoyed that they can't get on the server they want to.

I don't really like the idea of wasting gametime since I'm not exactly loaded withÂ money here either - The free month is the only month I can afford right now -Â and to be honest being aware that there are two or three communities that have already aimed for Gilgamesh makes it feel like a bit of a risk to wait and see what happens...

thealmightypoe · **08-25-2013, 06:21 PM**

(08-25-2013, 06:08 PM)raindrops Wrote: Like I said, it's not actual trolls I'm worried about. It's the fact that the bigger name communities attached to Gilgamesh have reputations (just as RPers have reputations among them), even if those reputations don't reflect the people playing there. And that's going to make newer players a lot more wary. I've played there without problems, but that doesn't change the fact that people are going to be deterred from open RP.

In addition, RPers on a high population server may well result in hostility if these problems do turn out to be ongoing. The various communities are all likely to blame the other two for their problems.

The other worlds ARE reaching limits, of course, but Gilgamesh reached its limit, if reddit is to be believed, just 15 minutes after the launch and has not left it except for short times immediately post-maintenance since. It also likely has a much larger queue of people waiting to pounce it to be with their friends than the other servers, especially the newer ones added during P4. I don't think you can seriously argue that every other server is just as bad. Even when server changing is implemented, Gilgamesh is the most likely server to have restrictions placed on moving there.

Honestly, I'm a little concerned that most of the pro-gilgamesh responses are coming from people who are having no problems at all, and are basically saying 'wellÂ I'mÂ having fun so I don't see why you're complaining'. Yes, upheaval is a problem. Yes, people won't want to go. Yes, naming a new server now would be a hassle and result in some splintering. But I don't see why the people who literally can't go to Gilgamesh should be the ones to move and lose progress either. And if it's this or small groups going wherever I'll take the kind of splintering that's the result of people having too much fun to leave over the kind caused by people not being able to play at all.

You know, I wrote out a huge response to this, but then I reread your post.Â

I'm sorry you can't get into gilg. I'm sorry you're going to have to form a small coalition of players who don't want to wait for gilg to open up in order to start RPing early, it's a ton of work.

However, stop whining. Just do what you got to do.

raindrops · **08-25-2013, 06:26 PM**

(08-25-2013, 06:21 PM)thealmightypoe Wrote: You know, I wrote out a huge response to this, but then I reread your post.Â

I'm sorry you can't get into gilg. I'm sorry you're going to have to form a small coalition of players who don't want to wait for gilg to open up in order to start RPing early, it's a ton of work.

However, stop whining. Just do what you got to do.

Clearly you didn't actually read my posts. I said that I can get onto Gilgamesh, and that I have a character there that I have put a lot of time into. I just don't want to play there if other people can't.

Sorry that the capability for empathy is so confusing to you!

Also if complaining about people not being able to access the game is 'whining', I don't know what complaining about people complaining is.

belderiver · **08-25-2013, 06:28 PM**

(08-25-2013, 06:21 PM)thealmightypoe Wrote:
(08-25-2013, 06:08 PM)raindrops Wrote: Like I said, it's not actual trolls I'm worried about. It's the fact that the bigger name communities attached to Gilgamesh have reputations (just as RPers have reputations among them), even if those reputations don't reflect the people playing there. And that's going to make newer players a lot more wary. I've played there without problems, but that doesn't change the fact that people are going to be deterred from open RP.

In addition, RPers on a high population server may well result in hostility if these problems do turn out to be ongoing. The various communities are all likely to blame the other two for their problems.

The other worlds ARE reaching limits, of course, but Gilgamesh reached its limit, if reddit is to be believed, just 15 minutes after the launch and has not left it except for short times immediately post-maintenance since. It also likely has a much larger queue of people waiting to pounce it to be with their friends than the other servers, especially the newer ones added during P4. I don't think you can seriously argue that every other server is just as bad. Even when server changing is implemented, Gilgamesh is the most likely server to have restrictions placed on moving there.

Honestly, I'm a little concerned that most of the pro-gilgamesh responses are coming from people who are having no problems at all, and are basically saying 'wellÂ I'mÂ having fun so I don't see why you're complaining'. Yes, upheaval is a problem. Yes, people won't want to go. Yes, naming a new server now would be a hassle and result in some splintering. But I don't see why the people who literally can't go to Gilgamesh should be the ones to move and lose progress either. And if it's this or small groups going wherever I'll take the kind of splintering that's the result of people having too much fun to leave over the kind caused by people not being able to play at all.

You know, I wrote out a huge response to this, but then I reread your post.Â

I'm sorry you can't get into gilg. I'm sorry you're going to have to form a small coalition of players who don't want to wait for gilg to open up in order to start RPing early, it's a ton of work.

However, stop whining. Just do what you got to do.

Was this post in any way necessary beyond getting the rudeness and condescension out of your system?

thealmightypoe · **08-25-2013, 06:43 PM**

(08-25-2013, 06:26 PM)raindrops Wrote:
(08-25-2013, 06:21 PM)thealmightypoe Wrote: You know, I wrote out a huge response to this, but then I reread your post.Â

I'm sorry you can't get into gilg. I'm sorry you're going to have to form a small coalition of players who don't want to wait for gilg to open up in order to start RPing early, it's a ton of work.

However, stop whining. Just do what you got to do.

Clearly you didn't actually read my posts. I said that I can get onto Gilgamesh, and that I have a character there that I have put a lot of time into. I just don't want to play there if other people can't.

Sorry that the capability for empathy is so confusing to you!

Also if complaining about people not being able to access the game is 'whining', I don't know what complaining about people complaining is.

Hm...Maybe I read it wrong. But you still misunderstand what I mean.

I wasn't being snide. You have two choices: create a new RP community to start afresh in a new server (or possibly transfer) or wait it out. If you wait it out a few days (possibly a week) the server issues should be fixed a bit(due to launch).

If you can't or chose not to wait, you have a long road ahead of you. Unless you move to behemoth then its just finding that group of roleplayers.

While Gilgamesh has more players from many groups deciding to go there, it also brings a lot more livliness. An issue of going to a barren server is that within a month or two the community will usually die out and a server merge will take too long for the devs to construct. Â I chose high pop servers because after the first few months the player base becomes stable without being too populated. The downside, of course, is full servers at the get go.

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