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Sigyn Shieldbreaker · **09-19-2013, 10:07 PM**

(09-19-2013, 10:01 PM)Matthias Wrote:
(09-19-2013, 08:35 PM)J Wrote: Both servers have a lot of role-play, though the quality varies. Balmung tends to take itself more seriously whilst a lot of the role-play on Gilgamesh is tied to what is essentially just a giant ERP circle passed off as 'tasteful entertainment'. There's exceptions, of course - so you'll likely find RP wherever you choose to settle.

See. This right here... This is a prime example of why these threads are not only stupid, but blatantly become a tossing of biased opinions and crap.

I'll throw my example here on how to prove this wrong though. There is one key community on the internet known for 'giant ERP circle' type RP. That's a website called Darknest. Go there and look in "Other Game Ads" and tell me what server all the ads for Final Fantasy XIV are for. This is just a prime example that... Hey, guess what, every RP community has this.

But don't go waving your elitist bullshit and attacking a full community of RPers because you feel the need to make your own part of the community seem better. I've seen some RP that's not exactly publicly acceptable. I've also seen some amazing RP come about. Most of my RP has been random, found in the world with people I didn't know before on Gilgamesh. Long standing, serious RPs are starting. Serious, extremely well written characters. Development and just exciting things are happening everywhere.

As for this thread? It should be closed. Because this is just stupid. Elitists and biased opinions will attack it in waves. If you're not sure where you want to settle? Roll a toon on both servers and stay where you feel more welcome.

That's what I did and I brought a lot of people with me. Simple as that. I have a bias for Gilgamesh, but that's because of the reactions I've gotten.

If you want to shoot your mouth off, talk shit or the like? Take it elsewhere. I don't care to hear this shit and it's not needed in a community of AMAZING people. Both servers are amazing in their own ways. Don't agree? Then you're looking through rose colored glasses to the one you prefer.

And if this kind of blow up gets me in trouble? I really don't care. It needs to be said.

Do what you find fun. Get your money per month out of it. Make friends, write good stories and promote the good and not the bad.

Peace, love and fluffy kittens.

Responding this way doesn't do anything but propagate the issue. There are much more civil ways of responding to what J'hared said than this.

I don't agree with it either, but putting people down doesn't help anything and several other people have said this exact same thing already.Â

Try to consider that sometimes when any of us posture this way it only gives other, less-experienced people the mindset that they should do it also. True as it may be, perhaps a slightly different wording might have been better.

Tact.

Cato · **09-19-2013, 10:10 PM**

Was what I said controversial? Sure, I'm willing to admit that - but I'm not the sort of guy who sugar coats my words or beats around the bush. I'm going by what I've seen for myself and I did suggest that not everyone on the server was guilty of what I mentioned.

Matthias · **09-19-2013, 10:15 PM**

(09-19-2013, 10:10 PM)J Wrote: Was what I said controversial? Sure, I'm willing to admit that - but I'm not the sort of guy who sugar coats my words or beats around the bush. I'm going by what I've seen for myself and I did suggest that not everyone on the server was guilty of what I mentioned.

And yet what you said was a blatant show of disrespect to the community overall. You are taking a minority and blaming the majority for it. I am calling you wrong, not controversial. Someone clearly blinded by their bias and elitist appearing attitude.

In short. Your opinion was neither warranted nor grounded in fact. Once more a worthless spewing of drivel to make your point seem more valid and demean a group of people.

Sigyn Shieldbreaker · **09-19-2013, 10:18 PM**

Your experiences might have been bad due to coincidence, maybe they weren't long term enough, maybe what you saw is the exception rather than the rule. Very likely any of those, especially the last, is the case.Â

What you may, intentionally or otherwise, be doing is skewing people's perception of the place before they have a chance to go there and they might have a great time and really enjoy it-- clearly that's the case for many of these people who love Gilgamesh and want to be there.

It doesn't take sugar-coating or beating around the bush to say 'I saw a lot of this so I decided to stay on Balmung' without all the unnecessarily derogatory trappings.

If you -don't- care what your opinion does to other people, then why do you even bother saying anything about it? Clearly you must be trying to look out for the well-being of other RPers who might decide to go to Gilgamesh by warning them of what they -might- see, but doesn't it defeat the purpose if you end up discrediting yourself by presenting your opinion in such an abrasive way?

Cato · **09-19-2013, 10:37 PM**

(09-19-2013, 10:15 PM)Matthias Wrote:
(09-19-2013, 10:10 PM)J Wrote: Was what I said controversial? Sure, I'm willing to admit that - but I'm not the sort of guy who sugar coats my words or beats around the bush. I'm going by what I've seen for myself and I did suggest that not everyone on the server was guilty of what I mentioned.

And yet what you said was a blatant show of disrespect to the community overall. You are taking a minority and blaming the majority for it. I am calling you wrong, not controversial. Someone clearly blinded by their bias and elitist appearing attitude.

In short. Your opinion was neither warranted nor grounded in fact. Once more a worthless spewing of drivel to make your point seem more valid and demean a group of people.

It has nothing to do with 'elitism', nor did I ever tarnish the community as a whole as being guilty of what I spoke of. Please spare me the hyperbole, personal attacks and drama. I'm here to indulge in debate and discussion, not suffer abuse from posters who can't seem to reign in their temper.

It's always baffled me when someone tries to paint another poster as 'mean' or 'elitist' only to launch a barrage of insults (thinly veiled or otherwise) in their direction. Go ahead and disagree with me, just stop with the borderline abuse, please.

@Siobhan: I see where you're coming from. As I said, I just tend to say things as they are rather than wrapping them up in a nice little bundle. If that doesn't sit well with some people, that's fine by me - I'm not here to indulge in a popularity contest or carefully tread over eggshells. If I see a problem that I perceive as large enough to be notable then I tend to tackle it and address it rather than sweep it under the rug. I've made my peace with that rubbing a lot of people the wrong way in role-playing communities, though I strive to remain on the side of the terms of service and code of conduct - thus I don't go around insulting people for having a different experience or opinion than my own. I'm also guilty of finding it fascinating to discuss the more complex issues in the role-playing community. Again, I post because I enjoy a good debate. I thank you for being mature about it, even if we might not agree on certain matters.

wolfeskm · **09-19-2013, 10:54 PM**

(09-19-2013, 10:37 PM)J Wrote:
(09-19-2013, 10:15 PM)Matthias Wrote:
(09-19-2013, 10:10 PM)J Wrote: Was what I said controversial? Sure, I'm willing to admit that - but I'm not the sort of guy who sugar coats my words or beats around the bush. I'm going by what I've seen for myself and I did suggest that not everyone on the server was guilty of what I mentioned.

And yet what you said was a blatant show of disrespect to the community overall. You are taking a minority and blaming the majority for it. I am calling you wrong, not controversial. Someone clearly blinded by their bias and elitist appearing attitude.

In short. Your opinion was neither warranted nor grounded in fact. Once more a worthless spewing of drivel to make your point seem more valid and demean a group of people.

It has nothing to do with 'elitism', nor did I ever tarnish the community as a whole as being guilty of what I spoke of. Please spare me the hyperbole, personal attacks and drama. I'm here to indulge in debate and discussion, not suffer abuse from posters who can't seem to reign in their temper.

It's always baffled me when someone tries to paint another poster as 'mean' or 'elitist' only to launch a barrage of insults (thinly veiled or otherwise) in their direction. Go ahead and disagree with me, just stop with the borderline abuse, please.

@Siobhan: I see where you're coming from. As I said, I just tend to say things as they are rather than wrapping them up in a nice little bundle. If that doesn't sit well with some people, that's fine by me - I'm not here to indulge in a popularity contest or carefully tread over eggshells. If I see a problem that I perceive as large enough to be notable then I tend to tackle it and address it rather than sweep it under the rug. I've made my peace with that rubbing a lot of people the wrong way in role-playing communities, though I strive to remain on the side of the terms of service and code of conduct - thus I don't go around insulting people for having a different experience or opinion than my own. I'm also guilty of finding it fascinating to discuss the more complex issues in the role-playing community. Again, I post because I enjoy a good debate. I thank you for being mature about it, even if we might not agree on certain matters.

a problem in the initial bit was how you worded the initial post withÂ

"a lot of the role-play on Gilgamesh is tied to what is essentially just a giant ERP circle passed off as 'tasteful entertainment'."

and while you may have added afterward that there are exceptions... you made it appear a if the vast majority of the server revolves around rp... which can very easily be taken as an insult to many of the rpers we have here.Â

I myself came over to Gilgamesh with a group who have been rping together for a good while and while i've not yet been able to join into the rps asn much as I'd have liked due to not having my own computer yet that can handle the game, i've seen some good rp when taking breaks from leveling and the like. I've heard great stories about diffrent rp events that have already been held.

regarding erp though, you will find that no matter where you go... it is inevitable no matter what game you play on what servers. Again like it was stated earlier, tact is a big part of things. Whether you intended it that way, it how it came off by saying our rp was tied to a just erp circle... there really is no other way you can take it worded s such

Reibees · **09-19-2013, 11:06 PM**

Can the arguing stop? My intent was never to make some sort of server war, I just wanted to know where to go without having to relevel to find out.Â

Rudeness and insults to either party for any comment are not needed.
Things were said that should have been worded better, but what's said is said, it'd be best to let it go.

If you do not like a server, that's fine, explain why, but please don't fall to attacking the other, or insulting ME for starting a thread of innocent inquiry. Â Not a big fan of being called 'stupid' for wanting to know the activity of a server.Â

If I must I will make a request to close this thread, your input is NOT needed if it's going to just be attacks to another person/server.

Matthias · **09-19-2013, 11:12 PM**

(09-19-2013, 10:37 PM)J Wrote:
(09-19-2013, 10:15 PM)Matthias Wrote:
(09-19-2013, 10:10 PM)J Wrote: Was what I said controversial? Sure, I'm willing to admit that - but I'm not the sort of guy who sugar coats my words or beats around the bush. I'm going by what I've seen for myself and I did suggest that not everyone on the server was guilty of what I mentioned.

And yet what you said was a blatant show of disrespect to the community overall. You are taking a minority and blaming the majority for it. I am calling you wrong, not controversial. Someone clearly blinded by their bias and elitist appearing attitude.

In short. Your opinion was neither warranted nor grounded in fact. Once more a worthless spewing of drivel to make your point seem more valid and demean a group of people.

It has nothing to do with 'elitism', nor did I ever tarnish the community as a whole as being guilty of what I spoke of. Please spare me the hyperbole, personal attacks and drama. I'm here to indulge in debate and discussion, not suffer abuse from posters who can't seem to reign in their temper.

It's always baffled me when someone tries to paint another poster as 'mean' or 'elitist' only to launch a barrage of insults (thinly veiled or otherwise) in their direction. Go ahead and disagree with me, just stop with the borderline abuse, please.

Please spare you the personal attacks, drama and the like? Why not spare a whole community your personal attacks. That's all your post came off as.

As for 'elitism'... Let's see. "The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class." Which is something heavily perceived within the eyes of the biased party slinging the original insult. Which would be you, sir.

Now to get to the point. I'm not thinly veiling anything, I'm not 'barraging' insults. I am stating one insult. One that is pretty much seeming perceived by many people in the thread and those I've spoken to who have read it. Namely, your original comment.

I'm not abusing you. Not even borderline. I'm stating you're not debating, you're downright insulting an entire group of people. That's not constructive.

That is the insult I am stating.

That you are a biased, elitist asshole. Or at least coming off as one.

Cato · **09-19-2013, 11:16 PM**

It doesn't matter how you try and paint it, you're simply launching insults at me and seem to be deliberately misinterpreting my words even after I've elaborated upon the matter to get your kicks.

Once again, I did not say that the entire server was terrible. You're blowing things out of proportion, though as this is shaping up to be a circular argument and I have no intention of derailing the OP's thread into a discussion about who insulted who I'll ask that you either take the matter to a PM or message me in-game instead.

Kylin · **09-19-2013, 11:16 PM**

Alright guys, the name-calling needs to stop now. I've counted numerous instances now and have let it slide. But it's only making things a million times worse. The server issue has always been a hot button issue and it's understandable that people are very protective/invested in their respected servers. But any and all name-calling is uncalled for and only escalating the situation.

This thread, as it stands, has a 90% chance of getting locked right now. We'll be monitoring it and any further personal insults that are hurled will result in warnings being issued.

The_Wanderer · **09-19-2013, 11:26 PM**

To be fair, opening with a trollish comment and then complaining about people getting riled up is *facepalm* material.

Anyways, try out both servers and wander around the major cities - you could also try some looking for RP LS, they exist on both servers. RP isn't level specific, unless the RP is happening in a higher level or secluded location, in which case it's more than likely going to be more "cliquey". Tavern RP is usually the most common and most RP'ers I've met will always welcome one another. Just find an excuse to engage them!

P.S. Not all RP'ers are quick typists and some like to think about the situation before responding, so don't be offended if it takes a moment or two for them to acknowledge you.

Cato · **09-19-2013, 11:30 PM**

(09-19-2013, 11:26 PM)The_Wanderer Wrote: To be fair, opening with a trollish comment and then complaining about people getting riled up is *facepalm* material.

Is this aimed someone else, myself or is it more of a general statement? Regardless, I suppose this highlights how people should be more careful about what they deem to be 'trollish'. X posting something Y disagrees with doesn't make X a 'troll'.

Strife · **09-19-2013, 11:50 PM**

Well you did post your opinion as if it was fact, and adding a disclaimer later doesn't really change the fact that you (inadvertently) painted an entire community as cyber whores. So its understandable that some of the Gilgamesh got their panties in a bunch and came to defend their server (which only escalated things)

All that being said, the ONLY rp ive seen on Balmung (so far) was two cat girls (they probably have no idea what miqo'te even are) picking up on each other at the Drowning Wench before going off to go spread some cat nip on each others naughty bits.

Aethlvohl · **09-19-2013, 11:55 PM**

Hello! Don't mind me, just adding my 3 cents in here!

I have been to both Gilgamesh and Balmung. I have found equal amounts of roleplay on both, HOWEVER, I can definitely understand your frustration!

When not surrounded by a group of friends who traveled with you, and starting on your own on a server that is for RP, it is VERY frustrating to find roleplay, and also nerve-wrecking. Where did it go? Who RPs and do who doesn't? Where can I find it? Linkshells for IC? How do I find out about those?

A few points:

The game (for some) just came out (again)! Many people are most likely doing the 'go go gadget GET ALL THE LEVELS' and aren't actively searching for roleplay because they want to explore all the fun of a 'New' game. This will be a moot point very soon, as the first month of the game's relaunch is upon us! Fear not, friend!

Without a Linkshell or a Free Company, it's always going to be just a tad more difficult to find roleplay. People are more comfortable asking in general for roleplay among a known group of roleplayers in a linkshell or FC than they ever will be in /shout. (If you're having trouble looking for either of these, ask in /shout, or look around this site! They've got flyers and the whole nine yards for your fingertips to tap in to!)

As others have suggested, try out both servers! As I said, I have found equal amounts of roleplay, as well as equal amounts of quality or lack there of on both. Right now, people are busy switching back and forth to figure it all out. The only real difference, in my experience, is that on Balmung, there are Legacy players. These players have already hit the high levels and are ready to get up and go roleplay! On the flip side, Gilgamesh has also had a few who slaved away day and night and have many level capped classes, so they are equally as ready to get going on the roleplaying! It's gonna be alright, no matter where you go. Promise.

Test the waters while you're questing or crafting. A lot of the time, especially when weaving or something else that is just as stationary (for the most part), I roleplay out the frustrations of pricking needles on my fingers, growling under my breath, or outright cursing in frustration - just to see if anyone else is about and up for a spot of random roleplay! I've found great responses most of the time, too! -- Don't hesitate to also try this when questing out in the hostile territories with mobs! Someone saved my character's life the other day, so I thanked them in say. They responded, and a thirty minute session popped out of no where and also got me two levels! Huzzah!

Moral of the story: Try, try again. You'll find it on either server, so don't stress that one is better than the other, or that you're missing out here or there. The fun is where you make it, my dear.

Have a wonderful weekend! Hope this helped ease your troubles.Â

-Aethlvohl

JTeacher · **09-19-2013, 11:56 PM**

(09-19-2013, 08:54 PM)Nel Celestine Wrote: I once again suggest asking a member of the officers for Intermission found hereÂ In addition, I'm surprised that chose not to attend the cold full moon gala then if you were looking for RP.Â There were well over players 200 in attendance.

I would hate to start feeling the impression that people who don't go to events are simply choosing not to attend, or that its overly surprising. Time zones, real life obligations, and sony launch/server problems can all contribute to making it harder to make those very useful and probably awsome...not that I'm jealous....chances to meet some regular rpers. And it is harder for some people to find rp for those reasons as well.

That being said, the link and suggestions are very helpful. I have gotten a lot of help with the EU OOC linkshell, and I am pleased with the number of events I have seen set up on Balmung. You can find info on them posted on the top left of the large featured articles image spot.

Is Gilgamesh more active than Balmung RP wise?

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