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RE: Question about viewing RP info in-game. |
10-08-2013, 03:16 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-08-2013, 03:19 PM by Cato.)
(10-08-2013, 01:15 PM)SessionZero Wrote:Considering that their ongoing story is full of grit, tragedy and they've been forced into doing whatever it takes in order to survive? Yeah, they're gritty. Arguably more so than the majority of other races present in the setting.(10-08-2013, 01:06 PM)Theodric Ironheart Wrote: Â ...even the most grittiest blood elf as a tweenager instead of a zealous, driven individual... They're also often portrayed as being both masculine and rather physically strong and imposting, so if anyone truly believes that the following elves are 'feminine' then I'd happily consider them to be an idiot: http://wowpedia.org/File:HanthalLightward.jpg http://wowpedia.org/File:Silvermoon_City_Guardians.jpg http://wowpedia.org/File:Katsin_Bloodoath.jpg Here's my character: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/ar...ius/simple http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/ar...arn/simple I designed them with the grittier concept art in mind. I've been a fan of the blood elves ever since they first came to be. It's just a shame they attract so many stupid role-players. I feel the same way about the Miqo'te and Elezen in FFXIV - they're not feminine, yet a very large portion of role-players insist on presenting them as being that way. In turn, many other role-players begin incorporating that into their role-play to the point where it is seen as the norm rather than the exception. ...and that, along with numerous other reasons is why I loathe most role-players! 
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RE: Question about viewing RP info in-game. |
10-08-2013, 04:08 PM
(10-08-2013, 03:16 PM)Theodric Ironheart Wrote:I love the Blood Elves too. And debasing them as a bunch of flaming, girly, gits more obsessed if their armor matches their scrunchie than bloodletting is obnoxious to me. They are the most screwed over race on Azeroth, hands down. They've been genocided almost out of existence twice, and a third if Jaina had her way. Then the player base makes it all the worse by applying this caustic stereotype to them. Blizzard certainly hadn't helped with it either, until 5.2 when the Blood Elves finally demanded some goddamn attention.(10-08-2013, 01:15 PM)SessionZero Wrote:Considering that their ongoing story is full of grit, tragedy and they've been forced into doing whatever it takes in order to survive? Yeah, they're gritty. Arguably more so than the majority of other races present in the setting.(10-08-2013, 01:06 PM)Theodric Ironheart Wrote: Â ...even the most grittiest blood elf as a tweenager instead of a zealous, driven individual... I was really disappointed they spent all of MoP building up Lor'Themar as a brilliant tactician, a cunning general, and a passionate leader, only to pass off Warchief to someone else who wasn't even around for most of the expac. Elves in general, no matter where you go, suffer from the 'dainty and girly' stereotype though. I think it's just the 'jock' culture bleeding into the Fantasy genre as it's become more mainstreamed and normalized. 'Beautiful in a way not comprehensible to mortals' is translated as 'girly' to the uninitiated of the genre. And I bet you every dollar I have that when ESO goes live there will be a rush of effeminate Bosmer with nothing to their character besides the fact they are fabulous. No one will take into context their long history as a brutal, savage cannibalistic people, closer to beastfolk than real mer. It's a pitty, and it's one I try not to abide. I think allowing this sort of behavior to be the standard is a cancer. But ultimately there's nothing you can do about it besides try not to associate yourself with it.
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RE: Question about viewing RP info in-game. |
10-08-2013, 04:29 PM
(10-08-2013, 04:08 PM)K Wrote:(10-08-2013, 03:16 PM)Theodric Ironheart Wrote:I love the Blood Elves too. And debasing them as a bunch of flaming, girly, gits more obsessed if their armor matches their scrunchie than bloodletting is obnoxious to me. They are the most screwed over race on Azeroth, hands down. They've been genocided almost out of existence twice, and a third if Jaina had her way. Then the player base makes it all the worse by applying this caustic stereotype to them. Blizzard certainly hadn't helped with it either, until 5.2 when the Blood Elves finally demanded some goddamn attention.(10-08-2013, 01:15 PM)SessionZero Wrote:Considering that their ongoing story is full of grit, tragedy and they've been forced into doing whatever it takes in order to survive? Yeah, they're gritty. Arguably more so than the majority of other races present in the setting.(10-08-2013, 01:06 PM)Theodric Ironheart Wrote: Â ...even the most grittiest blood elf as a tweenager instead of a zealous, driven individual... There were other reasons behind my decision to leave WoW, but Vol'jin becoming Warchief was one of them. It made no sense - he wasn't even the driving force behind the rebellion and he was stupid enough to threaten to kill Garrosh even before he went off the deep end. The Horde needs a diplomatic leader who is capable of understanding how both the Horde and the Alliance works - which is something Vol'jin is not capable of. As for TESO, I'm really looking forward to it - though I do have some concerns regarding the elves being portrayed poorly, especially by role-players. I think more developers need to be aware that their 'joke' NPC's are often taken at face value and used as an excuse to twist the entire race into being something it isn't portrayed as being in the more serious aspects of the lore. Regardless, we should RP at some point! We seem to have similar views, after all and this thread inspired me to devote to my elezen to help combat the more questionable stereotypes surrounding the race.
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RE: Question about viewing RP info in-game. |
10-08-2013, 04:42 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-08-2013, 04:44 PM by J'rakh Tia.)
I, for one, never really bought into the "lulz belfs r gurlz xDDDD" memes that tend to infest and infect WoW. I suppose it is because I came into the game via TFT, which painted them as a rather tragic but driven race. It certainly never gave the impression of them being feminine. This came with the rather ill-conceived character /silly and the posture implemented by Blizzard, but I struggle to take it seriously. In regards to grit, I can't think of a "grittier" race in the setting. The adulation heaped upon the trolls and Vol'jin in WoW has grown dull; I've never been a huge enthusiast of the race.
As far as FFXIV is concerned, although I can see why some faces lend the impression that the Miqo'te are feminine, you can certainly design them to look masculine. The Seeker of the Sun lore doesn't come across as very feminine to me. I think the characterisation holds even less water for the Elezen. You can clearly tell the male ones are male. The females do tend to be a bit more androgynous, though. Yet not to the point that you'd be hard-pressed to tell them apart. /offtopic digression J'rakh Tia - Ignemort DefrennesÂ
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RE: Question about viewing RP info in-game. |
10-08-2013, 06:23 PM
I'm surprised nobody has yet made the obvious joke about Midlander males being feminine. They even have a face that, combined with some hair styles, could pass as a young woman.
Theodric Ironheart Wrote:I'm actually sort of glad that there's no RP addons in FFXIV. It's nice to not be assaulted by descriptions of how 'beautiful/powerful/handsome' a particular player's character is. Do you realize that addons would be optional and that, even if you had the correct addon, you'd still need to click on some buttons to be "assaulted" by those beautiful, powerful and handsome descriptions? 
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RE: Question about viewing RP info in-game. |
10-08-2013, 07:01 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-08-2013, 07:04 PM by Cato.)
(10-08-2013, 06:23 PM)Ildur Wrote: I'm surprised nobody has yet made the obvious joke about Midlander males being feminine. They even have a face that, combined with some hair styles, could pass as a young woman. Are they really optional when present, though? Certain guilds in WoW refused to interact with people who didn't have one and embraced a similar stance on Argent Dawn where the Argent Archives - a site devoted to character profiles - was concerned. I just don't feel as though they aid in shaping a healthy community.
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RE: Question about viewing RP info in-game. |
10-08-2013, 07:25 PM
Yes, they are really optional. Interacting with those certain guilds is as optional as the addons they require.
In fact, their requeriment is also optional: they could have decided not to require them. The only way the addons would be really not optional would be if the whole or at least the great majority of the roleplaying community decided that people not using that addon should be shunned off and ignored. And if the community does that, then there's a much bigger problem than the addon's existance: that the community is composed of jerks. The addon would just make it explicit.
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RE: Question about viewing RP info in-game. |
10-08-2013, 09:34 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-08-2013, 09:34 PM by K'dath.)
@Theo
I've thought about making an Elzen, since I've officially canceled my WoW sub and have nothing better to do. I actually defaulted to FF:XIV after a fatal error kept me from playing the game shortly after I filed a complaint about one of the stealth fixes Blizzard did during the 5.4 patch. All attempts to talk to customer serviser were put off, passed around, and usually ended with me being told "Your issue isn't important to us." I decided I'm not paying that jack off's salary anymore. If Blizz can't treat their customers decent then I'll go give my money to their competition, it's no skin off my nose. ...But I should really finish the main story with at least one character first before I go make a ton of alts. Either way, you're welcome to pester me whenever you wish. If I'm at home and awake I'm probably logged in to contact at your convenience. @Ildur They're not realistically optional on WoW, sadly. Because we have 'designated' RP servers, as it has been said on other threads, it makes us a target for non-RPing griefers. If you have the addon installed you can see anyone else who has it installed. It's generally the way the RP community finds each other amidst the flood of people on the server who aren't RPers or are dedicated RP trolls. If someone doesn't have it, you generally assume they are only on the server to give you a hard time. So yes, having it as a requirement is a symptom of the community. It's the arbitrary line in the sand RPers have drawn around themselves as a barrier against the filthy 'non-RP scum'. That being said, no RP guild I've been in has ever explicitly required them or you're not allowed in. The ones that do are usually closed, invitation only ones anyway that don't openly recruit. At least in my experience. Your mileage may vary.
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RE: Question about viewing RP info in-game. |
10-09-2013, 01:22 PM
Honestly, I'm very careful about what I tell people OOCly. Even the best RPers are prone to metagaming without realizing it. There are so many things about Corelyn that I do not have openly-listed, though I have things hinted on her wiki profile. However, it's nothing more than that, and I don't intend on putting them there (maybe on some other non-listed wiki page or something under a different name or something).
While it's nothing against my fellow RPers, it's simply a precaution I deign necessary with a character who has plentiful secrets that must be found out through RP, given she hides them very well. That said, on WoW, I'd be one of those people that, in MRP, would list under history some few things that people in general would know about my characters, and anything further would simply be "RP to find out!"
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RE: Question about viewing RP info in-game. |
10-09-2013, 07:31 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-09-2013, 07:37 PM by Cato.)
(10-09-2013, 03:40 PM)J Wrote:(10-08-2013, 06:23 PM)Ildur Wrote: I'm surprised nobody has yet made the obvious joke about Midlander males being feminine. They even have a face that, combined with some hair styles, could pass as a young woman.Yeah, I call that the Yuki face. I think a large part of the issue is the ridiculous standards of masculinity that a lot of MMO players have. A male being unkempt, dirty and with a beard that resembles the hair located on their rear end is not 'more masculine' than a male who is genuinely attractive and takes the time to keep themselves well groomed. Of course, some of the male facial options are pretty feminine looking but they tend to be in the minority and are rarely used by most players and hardly ever present on NPC's. On the other hand, you have stupid terms such as 'bishonen' thrown around by deluded individuals who try to paint any male that is seen as even remotely attractive as feminine. What's worse is that they target entire playable races with their flawed logic.
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