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Gwen · **06-27-2014, 12:36 PM**

I haven't ever ran into much, apart from when I first started RP'ing... But nowadays I tend to avoid the popular areas anyway... No trolls showing up at the FC house though either.

Ciel · **06-27-2014, 12:42 PM**

(06-26-2014, 01:23 AM)Mercurias Wrote: The blacklist button exists for a reason, and to be honest it doesn't bother me in the slightest to actually go ahead and play along with them. I tend not to do my serious RP in the middle of Ul'dah anyway. It's too cliquey.

The problem with the blacklist button is it doesn't make the troublemakers invisible.Â Sure, you can shut them up, but they can still do things to piss you off.Â This is why I don't do many IC shows as a bard.

Flickering Ember · **06-28-2014, 10:37 AM**

(06-24-2014, 12:32 PM)Tiergan Wrote: This has come up amongst my FC, because of a bit of trolling that happened a few days ago. Â My answer to trolling has always been one of two responses:

1) Joke and laugh it off. Â Kill the troll with kindness. Â

Most trolls, if they're not just goofing off and trying to get some laughs, are trying to get a rise out of you and piss you off. Â This is why ignoring doesn't always work because somewhere in their minds, they're either imagining you stewing angrily in your computer chair or are holding out to see how long it takes for you to break. Â It's also why getting angry, telling them you're going to report them, or slipping in any kind of insult is like tossing blood in shark-infested waters. Â They want to get you mad, and you are giving them the attention they're craving.

By laughing it off and joking around with them, or engaging in funny 'mock RP' like LastCandle mentioned, you give them the opposite of what they're looking for. Â If on top of that, you stay as friendly and kind as possible while dealing with them, some trolls will actually start to feel a little bad about trolling you because you'll seem like a pretty cool person who isn't getting their panties in a twist over a few pelvic thrust emotes.

It's just like how Kendha'to wound up with his new lalafell buddy - trolls are people too. Â If you respond to their vinegar with sugar, they might laugh and decide you're pretty neat. Â Besides - laughing at your problem is probably much healthier than stewing angrily over it, yeah?

2) If you can't joke/laugh it off - ignore them. Â

Just like everyone says, ignore'em, blacklist'em, do what you need to do to get them out of your mind. Â Just don't rise to their bait or try to be the internet tough guy. Â You'll get them to just redouble their efforts.

I'd like to vouch for Tiergan's method. I've seen Tiergan use this method before on trolls and it actually worked. It does take some perseverance but it ended up being really effective. If you ignore the trolls and find yourself irritated at how long they are still hanging around, I'd give it a try.

C'kayah Polaali · **06-28-2014, 02:18 PM**

This whole discussion started when I was out of game for a little while, so I've been staying out of it. That said, I honestly don't see any real rise in harassment or "RPer griefing" in the game. Sure, I've noticed the crowds outside of the Quicksand, but they really just seem to keep to themselves, enjoying the fact that they can now do the Manderville or whatever. Actual harassment? It's pretty damn low.

I've been playing FF 14 for almost a year now, I've been RPing (on Balmung) around Ul'dah for most of that time. I remember seeing random people in the Quicksand dancing in their underwear on tables then, just as I see them now. There doesn't really seem to be more of them. At least not per capita.

And that's the interesting bit. When I first started RPing in Ul'dah, there didn't seem to be a ton of RPers there. Unlike most MMOs, where the RP scene starts out very strong and then slowly tapers off over time, the RP scene here (again, on Balmung) seems to be growing. The MRPIQ* and MTBRP** factors have gone waaaaaay up. I think that with that we're seeing more trolls, but I don't think we're seeing proportionately more trolls.

Now the last games I played seriously before Final Fantasy were Eve Online (which I still love), and Star Trek Online. Both are incredibly RP-hostile games. CCP does acknowledge roleplay in Eve, but there's a strong history of people meta-ing the system*** to penalize people for RP. Star Trek Online, on the other hand, despite what you'd imagine basically throws RPers to the sharks. And sharks there are. In one popular RP hotspot, one particularly anti-RP fleet kept a near-permanent presence of people in spacesuits carrying fire extinguishers and glitter shooters (both of which exist in the game) in order to completely obscure the screen for any roleplayers who were RPing in public. For months on end. That is what harassment and griefing looks like. The occasional overloud interrupting troll or dancing underwear jockey is a far cry from that.

So yeah. In conclusion? I tend to deal with most trolls (such as they are) in a completely in-character manner: They're obviously crazy, or had too much to drink, so C'kayah will laugh at them or ignore them at his convenience. OOCly, there's always the blacklist, though I think I can count the number of non-gold farmers on my list on one hand.

*Mean RolePlayers In Quicksand
**Mean Time Between RolePlay. Don't try to calculate these at home, kids. I'm a professional!
***During an early 0.0 war, the spokeswoman for one side was banned(!) from posting on the official forums by repeated complaints by people from the other side that her RP persona constituted harassment.

Roswyn · **06-30-2014, 04:01 AM**

MY FC was having an event in the FC house and someone advertised it in an LS.

Griefers came and trashed the event and due to housing controls we couldn't get them out without tossing out the people we wanted there as well. Ruined the event in my opinion.

I see it in Ul'dah too. I can Blist someone all day and not see their spam but when a gigantic Roe is sitting on my character so I can't even see her model...

Yeah. It's been happening more and more unfortunately.

Rosekitten · **06-30-2014, 08:11 AM**

Downside of there not being an official rp server.. but besides the point.Â

I have noticed the sudden influx of strange folk around Ul'dah.. I tend to stay away from that place myself so it's not really effecting me.Â

Did have a table dancer in Limsa try and grief us .. all the way till my buddy started clapping and was emoting that he was tossing gil and talking about ale and entertainment. The guy didn't seem to want to stick around too long after that.

On the note of the event being disrupted... maybe stick to advertising the event in the forums here or make sure that the LS is rp friendly. Past that I don't really want to suggest hiding information an requiring people to prove they are rp'er in order to get event details/locations. But it is a option i things start to spiral down that far.

Laeka · **06-30-2014, 03:03 PM**

(06-24-2014, 11:33 AM)ExKage Wrote: If they're a majority from the /vg/ threads... it's for ERP. Or so.

They see Ul'dah is a hotspot for it and go to it is my guess.

That or they still just want to troll those who want to RP.

I myself am from /vg/ and really, we sort of just mind our own business. Sure we've had one or two black sheep be dickheads around Ul'dah, though don't misjudge us for a bunch of trolls. I personally enjoy RP myself, and some others at the bench may not indulge in it themselves, each to their own, but I think we all have a respect for Roleplayers do and we leave them be, as far as I know. Some have even expressed interest in it after some time

Nyx Ashkala · **07-03-2014, 05:57 PM**

Is this the kind of thing you guys are talking about? I've been tabbed out today in Ul'dah while I did various things and a bunch of people from She Looked Legal were purposely dancing naked on tables, cussing at people, and being pretty much rude to everyone. I mean, I may have missed something? But all of this looked pretty assholish to me.

Rushis Godly, suffice to say, is definitely someone on my blacklist now and he didn't even talk to me x.x... I don't really appreciate people popping into the middle of anyone's RP and asking for blowjobs and the like.

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Melkire · **07-03-2014, 06:14 PM**

That's definitely "blacklist and live with the visual hindrance" territory.

McBeefâ„¢ · **07-03-2014, 06:21 PM**

(06-28-2014, 02:18 PM)Ckayah Tia Wrote: This whole discussion started when I was out of game for a little while, so I've been staying out of it. That said, I honestly don't see any real rise in harassment or "RPer griefing" in the game. Sure, I've noticed the crowds outside of the Quicksand, but they really just seem to keep to themselves, enjoying the fact that they can now do the Manderville or whatever. Actual harassment? It's pretty damn low.

I've been playing FF 14 for almost a year now, I've been RPing (on Balmung) around Ul'dah for most of that time. I remember seeing random people in the Quicksand dancing in their underwear on tables then, just as I see them now. There doesn't really seem to be more of them. At least not per capita.

And that's the interesting bit. When I first started RPing in Ul'dah, there didn't seem to be a ton of RPers there. Unlike most MMOs, where the RP scene starts out very strong and then slowly tapers off over time, the RP scene here (again, on Balmung) seems to be growing. The MRPIQ* and MTBRP** factors have gone waaaaaay up. I think that with that we're seeing more trolls, but I don't think we're seeing proportionately more trolls.

Now the last games I played seriously before Final Fantasy were Eve Online (which I still love), and Star Trek Online. Both are incredibly RP-hostile games. CCP does acknowledge roleplay in Eve, but there's a strong history of people meta-ing the system*** to penalize people for RP. Star Trek Online, on the other hand, despite what you'd imagine basically throws RPers to the sharks. And sharks there are. In one popular RP hotspot, one particularly anti-RP fleet kept a near-permanent presence of people in spacesuits carrying fire extinguishers and glitter shooters (both of which exist in the game) in order to completely obscure the screen for any roleplayers who were RPing in public. For months on end. That is what harassment and griefing looks like. The occasional overloud interrupting troll or dancing underwear jockey is a far cry from that.

So yeah. In conclusion? I tend to deal with most trolls (such as they are) in a completely in-character manner: They're obviously crazy, or had too much to drink, so C'kayah will laugh at them or ignore them at his convenience. OOCly, there's always the blacklist, though I think I can count the number of non-gold farmers on my list on one hand.

*Mean RolePlayers In Quicksand
**Mean Time Between RolePlay. Don't try to calculate these at home, kids. I'm a professional!
***During an early 0.0 war, the spokeswoman for one side was banned(!) from posting on the official forums by repeated complaints by people from the other side that her RP persona constituted harassment.

I agree. I see *waaaaaay* more RP activity than I used to. As Kayah said, the general community is actually pretty chill with RP. They'll bug you and such occasionally, but I think most of them actually think it's kind of cool.

Zoetrooper · **07-03-2014, 06:31 PM**

Gilgamesh had some pretty rough moments for harassment, but I view whatever is happening in a number of ways.

Bottom line, someone is trying to have fun. Sometimes their fun is trying to ruin your fun but there are plenty of ways in game to combat this. Turning off power animations, temporary blisting ( I say temporary because they could be a very cool person, but they may be getting carried away with emote spam at the moment ), and when someone is standing on my face I generally just focus my attention on the chat and less at the Miqo'te shaped tumour jutting out of my side.

Generally when you don't react they get bored and move away.

Tolerance is my best friend with this issue. When Arc moved into their house we were right beside a raiding guild. They were naturally curious about their neighbors and lo, they came by and did some crazy things. Many people at the time asked me if they were trolling, turns out they weren't, and now some of them are good friends of mine.

If they think one of their members is bothering us I get a tell of apology even before anyone has time to complain. ( Not that we would anyways )Â
Several of them are even curious about RP, one that wanted to stop by from time to time for it said something along the lines of "I want to try it, but roleplay has more mechanics than T5." This was back before the second coil came out, so T5 was arguably the most difficult thing in game.

Cool people be everywhere.

FreelanceWizard · **07-03-2014, 06:42 PM**

*puts on Magic Admin Hat*

So, I'd really prefer people not do the "name and shame" thing. In general, posts that name and shame are likely to be edited or removed. I've been pretty lenient about it here (as I really have no tolerance for griefers and trolls), but I'm going to have to crack down if that continues here. I don't want to be mean. Cry

Please keep the discussion to the topic at hand and don't use this thread to call out specific instances of bad behavior.

Aldotsk · **07-06-2014, 01:28 AM**

Not everyone is going to tolerate people who are just trolling their important RP sessions with their friends. Trying to play with them is going to make things a lot worse. Just don't even PM. Blacklist, and ignore it completely and they will go bother someone else.

Kage · **09-25-2014, 08:12 PM**

I have a question

Is TGCid still Saint?

Some griefers/ "RPers" have been using the "this is just IC interaction" while they stand over people I know. Run around them. Wear snowman heads as they follow them around and sit over their character model when they're stopped.

Would an FC such as Saint allow this? Is their policy still the same to just let RPers be?

Faye · **09-25-2014, 08:36 PM**

(09-25-2014, 08:12 PM)Kage Wrote: I have a question

Is TGCid still Saint?

Some griefers/ "RPers" have been using the "this is just IC interaction" while they stand over people I know. Run around them. Wear snowman heads as they follow them around and sit over their character model when they're stopped.

Would an FC such as Saint allow this? Is their policy still the same to just let RPers be?

Just do a player search then view the FC to check if it's the same FC. Either way, no one here can really provide you with an accurate answer. Just contact the leader of the FC and let them know what happened. They'll either do something about it, or they won't.

At any rate, having recently been trolled by a member of a large and respected RP FC on here and hence even a fellow role-player (who I actually knew and thought I was on friendly terms with--but I suppose he didn't recognize my alt). Just because an FC has good policies doesn't mean every member follows them.

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