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Freyar · **09-05-2010, 10:27 PM**

falcolas Wrote:
Quote:2- Upgrade your computer, that's all there is to it, really. You can't blame the game for being slow if your specs do not match up to the recommend ones.

A modern gaming computer should not be limited to playing the game at half resolution, with all the options turned all the way down. It looks atrocious. And yet, that is what I (and others) are stuck with on their less-than-a-year-old alienware computers.

Even moreso for an MMO that needs the broadest possibility of players, and cutting them out by having rather odd requirements only puts the base in jeopardy.

Quote:
Quote:Combat is smooth, no boring auto-attack, leaving the player fully in control of the action, and it's just the right pace. No button-mashing and no crawling either, like we seen in early videos that leaked on youtube. The only thing to slow you down in a little is a Stamina gauge but it fills rather fast.

I have found it to be a ton of spamming the same attack button (spamming, since you don't know technically when you're ready to cast it again, and need to press it often to not miss out on a swing timer), occasionally switching to another button. It's the reason that auto attack exists, and why Conan combat was so unpopular.

It'll get better as latency and feedback improves.

Quote:Number 11 might be personal, but I'm kinda tired of the NPCs treating my character, the hero of my story, as a complete moron who just fell off the short bus. I can all but hear them tittering "F'ing n00b" as my character walks away.

Technically.. your character is a moron who just fell off the shortbus. Tongue

Satisiun · **09-05-2010, 10:33 PM**

falcolas Wrote:
Shamad Conde Wrote:That's because at the beginning, you are a noob.
I have to disagree. I'm not a nobody noob, I'm a hero. I have survived in extraordinary circumstances and single handedly saved people from a menace in those circumstances. I speak Moogish. Green behind the ears, yes. But certainly not deserving of their constant scorn for the first 5 levels.

No, you're pretty much a noob. I mean, congratulations, you can speak Moogle Speak if you start in Gridania.

FFXI was the same with new adventurers. Frankly, it's a common theme from both games. This isn't supposed to be like Aion where you're secretly some savior of the Elyos or Asmodian race who has a nasty case of amnesia all revealed before you even make it to Sanctum or Pandemonium. Obviously I'm using the most extreme opposite side as an example, but nevertheless, you are a wet-behind-the-ears, newcomer of an adventurer, and considering the world of Eorzea is teeming with them (some of the tavern NPCs that greet you even say as such!), why wouldn't the NPCs be wary of yet another new one?

And before the riposte is made ... yes, I know, the horned kid says people who talk Moogle Speak are rare. Yes, tens of thousands of PCs can suddenly speak it. That is still nothing compared to the pomp and importance given to your character in some other MMOs, like the aforementioned.

I'm curious. How far along are you in the story, anyway? Level 10? Level 20? I ask because as it stands, there is a whole world of more story to be seen, so for all any of us know, things could change by the point you're mid-way to the level cap, or even earlier. By the time you were only even halfway to cap in XI, or just a bit over, they were asking you to take on the Shadow Lord. Things can change very quickly.

Zyrusticae · **09-05-2010, 11:45 PM**

I find this hero complex hilarious and amusing.

I mean... it's an MMO. Let's be honest here. An MMO's story simply cannot work if every single player is this or that special individual who is destined for extremely great things. I mean, you can PRETEND you're the only one who's gone through the events in question but that is obviously never going to be in true in actuality. An MMO's story is much easier to stomach when they (the writers) assume you're simply one of many, who happens to be slightly more competent and slightly more lucky than the uninteresting masses (re: the NPCs).

And yes, the story DOES change as you rise up in ranks. Because they recognize just how accomplished you are. Which means, y'know, you can't expect them to treat you as a "hero" because YOU'RE A BLOODY NEWBIE. You're RANK 1. People like you DIE TO GIANT INSECTS AND RODENTS IN DROVES (and don't forget the dodo birds!). If you want to be treated as a hero you have to get stronger, get noticed, become someone who is actually of consequence and not a useless nobody with a bizarre sense of entitlement.

*Ahem*

Seriously, I don't get this mindset. It's an MMO. Screw stereotypical "I'm special" heroic stories, I want the story of my character and not the story so many silly children pine for to fulfill their power fantasies.

Freyar · **09-06-2010, 12:14 AM**

Zyrusticae Wrote:I find this hero complex hilarious and amusing.

I mean... it's an MMO. Let's be honest here. An MMO's story simply cannot work if every single player is this or that special individual who is destined for extremely great things.

This is why I absolutely hated City of Heroes, and why I loved EvE Online.

foxfirestorm · **09-06-2010, 01:03 AM**

I love FF14!
I love the system, I love the levelings, I love the cities, and I love the scenery.
I love the emotes, I love the flow. I pretty much love everything about the game.

Sure it has its bugs, but what MMORPG doesn't when it first comes out? It takes a bit to work out, polish and shine, but its still a nice gem stone, even when its a bit dirty.

My only complaint I have thus far toward the game is two simple complaints and they are very minor, "meh" overs.....

Not enough space to type with, as it is to short.
And not enough mobs.

However this is open beta, so perhaps they will add more mobs on release.

(You can also say, I hate WoW and the most decent games I've played that I actually enjoyed was EQ(way when), Istaria, and FF11)

Tagyr · **09-06-2010, 08:47 AM**

You know, the more I think about it the more I come to the impression the systems SE has placed in FFXIV is to combat bots in the long term.

A Fatigue system to stop constant bot grinding
A divided market system that stops farmer companies from controlling it, since you have to be everywhere at once in order to see all the prices every player is distributing their items for in order to buy it/resell it.
Mini-games for gathering/crafting that are somewhat skill based.

Or am I just seeing things...

Freyar · **09-06-2010, 08:52 AM**

falcolas Wrote:
Shamad Conde Wrote:That's because at the beginning, you are a noob.
I have to disagree. I'm not a nobody noob, I'm a hero. I have survived in extraordinary circumstances and single handedly saved people from a menace in those circumstances. I speak Moogish. Green behind the ears, yes. But certainly not deserving of their constant scorn for the first 5 levels.

Yes, because some Mo'qui-whatever saved you on the boat, or some silver-tongued Hyur managed to save your rear, or some pointy-headed ICO-like guy saved you from a tree. Tongue

Ugh.. I really should get some sleep.

Zyrusticae · **09-06-2010, 08:54 AM**

Tagyr Wrote:You know, the more I think about it the more I come to the impression the systems SE has placed in FFXIV is to combat bots in the long term.

Wouldn't surprise me any. Everything, like the distribution of mobs, the durability system (especially the durability system!), the guildleves being on long cooldowns, and so on and so forth... it seems pretty much impossible to successfully bot in this game. Everything is involved and requires player thought and input.

Hayden · **09-06-2010, 09:44 AM**

I have to admit, I am a little worried. For now I will content myself with the information that YES this is the BETA and they have some time before game release...but...really...not that much. I'm worried.

I want this game to be epic, awesome and first class. I bought a brand-spanking new computer just to play this game. My wife and I went all out pulled no stops. I have heard a lot of negative reviews so far, and I've also been doing a lot of reading on the game and such. My biggest fear is that this will just be a more upscailed version of FFXI...and that would make me sad.

I'm also frustrated with the Beta, but this is after all the first Beta I've ever even tried to get into. Maybe its normal to have to wait DAYS to get a key, and then DAYS YET to download the file from a rediciliously non functional downloader. Who knows? Maybe this is how "beta's" work? Probally not.

Anyhow. I will keep my fingers crossed...at LEAST until I can play it myself. As it stands I am silently waiting for the game to finish updating. That whomping 4 fucken gig file is a killer even on Utorrent....

foxfirestorm · **09-06-2010, 10:29 AM**

Azreiel Wrote:I have to admit, I am a little worried. For now I will content myself with the information that YES this is the BETA and they have some time before game release...but...really...not that much. I'm worried.

I want this game to be epic, awesome and first class. I bought a brand-spanking new computer just to play this game. My wife and I went all out pulled no stops. I have heard a lot of negative reviews so far, and I've also been doing a lot of reading on the game and such. My biggest fear is that this will just be a more upscailed version of FFXI...and that would make me sad.

I'm also frustrated with the Beta, but this is after all the first Beta I've ever even tried to get into. Maybe its normal to have to wait DAYS to get a key, and then DAYS YET to download the file from a rediciliously non functional downloader. Who knows? Maybe this is how "beta's" work? Probally not.

Anyhow. I will keep my fingers crossed...at LEAST until I can play it myself. As it stands I am silently waiting for the game to finish updating. That whomping 4 fucken gig file is a killer even on Utorrent....

You think this is bad, you should have been around for Closed Beta. Bomb

Now there was a mess upon mess of good old fun, like the combat bug where you /had/ to either die or logout to get it corrected!
Oh, then there FPS hold up, which was killing most of our computers (was killing mine cause he couldn't run full steam).

Sudden crashes, like, you log in and crash, try again, crash, oh look another crash..

MMORPGs are NEVER perfect when they first start out. They never will be. They are far more "Massive" then the normal solo game. Now, if a solo game was like this, I be livid, but they are not, you wanna know why?
Because there isn't as many people, there isn't servers, and they can just focus on "You". Where here on a MMORPG they have to focus on everyone, which means people are gonna find the black holes, and they are gonna find the glitches. That is why they have doods not only in home office testing stuff, but they are also monitoring our activities, cause they are trying to find the problems.

If you want a "Nice" version of this game, wait about six months to eight. Then maybe come back again. I'm sorry if I sound sorta ill tempered, but for crying out loud, people need to learn some patience!

Tagyr Wrote:You know, the more I think about it the more I come to the impression the systems SE has placed in FFXIV is to combat bots in the long term.

It is. >.>
Somewhere, some place back in Closed Beta, they brought it up.. once. I believe it was in closed beta, or in an interview. They are aware of the Gil sellers, and all that, so they were looking for awhile they couldn't do it.
I recognize the system due to the same system Istaria uses. Istaria is a fully community crafted game. You have to sell your items in the consigner (their auction house) in order to make good money, but you also have to craft it, and to craft it, you gotta have the tools, and each tool has a level meet, and each item, you also gotta have the formula.
You have to go kill monsters for the formula (or pay a hefty NPC price), which means for gold sellers, this an utter pain, oh yeah-- and you also gotta pay so much in order to place it up for sell.. or you sell it to the pawn broker, who could rip you off.

So yes, it most likely is to keep Gil sellers and Bots away.
However, there is an Auction house in LL, you can see the sign, you just can't go in. Big Grin

Asyria · **09-06-2010, 10:41 AM**

Starting characters are just that: starting characters.
It's sad for those of you who want to RP the big veterans and heroes, but all you have to do is take a step back, and take the first few levels as your character's beginning.
This, to me, is also part of respecting the lore.
Nobody starts as The Guy who's Gonna Save The World.
We all start as a fresh adventurer in a world FULL of adventurers, some of them pretty bad-ass, but most being nubcakes. That certainly justify the NPC's attitude toward "yet another adventurer" and it also justifies the number of player characters in the world. Among all the mmorpg's I played, FF XIV is among those who most believably introduce new characters into the world, with consideration given to the number of characters running around.
The worse I played had to be AoC.
I'm split about Fallen Earth... they get you to be THE clone who blew up the Dam, which is stupid since everyone goes through that... but afterwards, you're a clone among many, which makes immersion pretty easy. It's like they went from the worse to the best in 15 minutes of play.

As for the recent computers running the game on medium setting at best and it being ugly... what?
I run it on medium and it's absolutely gorgeous. Better than any mmo I've seen. We must not have the same perception of beauty. More important than opinions however is the fact that SE created a Next Generation game and in that, they most certainly have been successful.

Either way, A positive review was asked for, I gave one.
Why bring it down?
Like we needed more whining. >.>

Hayden · **09-06-2010, 10:53 AM**

Asyria Wrote:Like we needed more whining. >.>

foxfirestorm Wrote:If you want a "Nice" version of this game, wait about six months to eight. Then maybe come back again. I'm sorry if I sound sorta ill tempered, but for crying out loud, people need to learn some patience!

I don't see the point in getting hostile towards those who are giving the game negative reviews. It's hardly whining and its hardly a matter of patience. Half of us can't even get INTO the beta in order to review it, others have legitimet CONSTRUCTIVE critisism of the game. And those who have nothing but bad to say? Well they'll move onto another game in no time I'm sure.

The dev's WANT both positive and negative feedback. If it wasn't for this "whining" nothing would ever get fixed. That is what Beta phase is for.

Me, I'm just dissapointed with the Beta download process. Even if they DID give us fair warning that this would be slow and tedious. I believe they've had at least a decade to perfect this simple process of downloading and uploading the files. The fact that it is redicliously unfunctional and slow is not whining, its not inpatience, its just truth.

Just saying, a little patience when dealing with those of us who are not as "thrilled" as the rest is whats called for I think.

foxfirestorm · **09-06-2010, 10:57 AM**

Azreiel Wrote:Just saying, a little patience when dealing with those of us who are not as "thrilled" as the rest is whats called for I think.

Ehh.. its just called listening to it nearly 24/7. So sorry for getting into an uproar, but I don't exactly get much escape from it, since a good buddy of mine is complaining, some dudes I rp with on the MUSHes are complaining, and it seems most general are.. well.. complaining.

Anyhow, sorry to ruffle feathers, I'll just ignore the thread so I can pretend all is good with the world.

Again, I am sorry.

Asyria · **09-06-2010, 11:39 AM**

I'm simply sick of the complaints and no, they are not always constructive.
Some are, perhaps more of them on the RPC forums than in other places, but I simply don't see it as constructive when it's performance-related and we all knew beforehand that the game would be very demanding.

While I do feel some regret in that my tone might be perceived as aggressive, I feel the same aggression coming from people who seem to expel their frustrations through negative criticism so I can't honestly say I'm sorry for taking the same tone. What my honesty allows me to do however is apologizing for said tone making my posts not so enjoyable to read. So, I'm sorry. I hope however that people would realize that incessant whining is also very much not enjoyable to read.

And please don't give me the "you don't have to read it" argument, because I do have to read it in order to realize what it's about. Of course the thread title might have given a hint, but do impressions have to be negative? No, they do not. In fact I'm happy to have seen a lot of positive comments on the RPC forums in general, but when the negativity trickles in, it makes me want to scream. Really, if it is bad enough that you only have negative comments, don't play it. I stopped playing WoW for that reason. Loved it for a while, then I realized I had more negative stuff than positive stuff to say about it, so I quit.

Jakky · **09-06-2010, 03:05 PM**

Having played('tested' Tongue

) for a considerable amount of time now, this is what I have to say about FFXIV:

I love it.

Truly. It's more or less everything I had wanted it to be. Sure, there's still some stuff that needs ironing out, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were still a few bugs and adjustments to be made after launch. But I suppose I've been fortunate; my system (admittedly a brand new machine bought for this game) runs FFXIV perfectly. I've only had a rare few crashes. My lag is negligible.

Playing in Closed Beta phases 2 and 3 were mildly enjoyable, but also very frustrating. I feel that SE has done a great job in listening to the community's feedback, and implementing changes and fixes. Open beta is great. (And far too addictive!)

The graphics are stunning. The battle system is fun and engaging. Gathering and crafting have just the right balance of difficulty and reward. The environment and story is amazing, and so immersive.

I support the levelling fatigue. I see SE's logic, and I think it makes sense. Because really, the only people complaining about having nothing to do are those who are only levelling one type of class. Because I mine, synth, and do battleleves, I'm never left without stuff to do. The guildleve limits don't even bother me, because I have local(crafting) leves that I do every day. And when we're all in game and there's a thriving RP environment, there will rarely be a dull moment.

But all of that doesn't rival FFXIV's true strength: its potential. The game is great now. Sure. But in a year's time? Two years? It's going to be breathtaking.

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