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Kage · **07-24-2014, 02:33 PM**

This thread? http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threa...ventions-I

Quote:Contrary to popular belief, both males and females exist...though it can be nigh on impossible to tell the two genders apart. Not only do they have similar outward appearances, but there does not even exist the concept of male and female names amongst the tribe. Even the Amaljâ€™aa themselves have trouble distinguishing between the two sexes, but to them, this is not that high of a priority. Perhaps Brotherhood of Ash warleader Hamujj Gah says it best when he reminds you that to his people, â€œtribe, clan, gender--these details matter not.â€

When it does matter (as during the mating season), however, biology takes over, with both males and females excreting unique scents which help, letâ€™s say, reduce the possibility of an accident.

Accidents? :O T_T

McBeefâ„¢ · **07-24-2014, 02:36 PM**

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Amaljâ€™aa
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Contrary to popular belief, both males and females exist...though it can be nigh on impossible to tell the two genders apart. Not only do they have similar outward appearances, but there does not even exist the concept of male and female names amongst the tribe. Even the Amaljâ€™aa themselves have trouble distinguishing between the two sexes, but to them, this is not that high of a priority. Perhaps Brotherhood of Ash warleader Hamujj Gah says it best when he reminds you that to his people, â€œtribe, clan, gender--these details matter not.â€

When it does matter (as during the mating season), however, biology takes over, with both males and females excreting unique scents which help, letâ€™s say, reduce the possibility of an accident.

I really like the idea of an Amaj with a bad sense of smell just sexing everyone and hoping a baby comes out.

McBeefâ„¢ · **07-24-2014, 02:39 PM**

It is an interesting concept. What if even the Amaj themselves don't know their genders? They might just get the urge to make sexytimes with that good smelling person next door, not even knowing if they are female or male, or the other person is female or male, just that it feels good and a baby might come out of one of them.

Berrod Armstrong · **07-24-2014, 02:51 PM**

(07-24-2014, 02:33 PM)ExKage Wrote: This thread? http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threa...ventions-I

Quote:Contrary to popular belief, both males and females exist...though it can be nigh on impossible to tell the two genders apart. Not only do they have similar outward appearances, but there does not even exist the concept of male and female names amongst the tribe. Even the Amaljâ€™aa themselves have trouble distinguishing between the two sexes, but to them, this is not that high of a priority. Perhaps Brotherhood of Ash warleader Hamujj Gah says it best when he reminds you that to his people, â€œtribe, clan, gender--these details matter not.â€

When it does matter (as during the mating season), however, biology takes over, with both males and females excreting unique scents which help, letâ€™s say, reduce the possibility of an accident.
Accidents? :O T_T

Yes this thread! Thank you Kage!

I always imagined an Amalj'guy dude with a cold trying to hook up with a sweet looking Amalj'gaal.Â

*Hands desert flowers*

"...I am a male."

"...Oh."

"Please take some Nyquil, rumor has it that this is the fourth time. There are mucus tablets and other decongestants as well. For Ifrit's sake."

"I am so sorry. No homo?"

"Please go away."

McBeefâ„¢ · **07-24-2014, 02:54 PM**

"That was wonderful..." He strokes their scales, "Once I smelled you I knew we must mate. Our offspring will be beautiful."

"Ah... this is awkward, but I'm a dude."

"Oh." He sits there for a moment "I guess I'm gay."

McBeefâ„¢ · **07-24-2014, 03:21 PM**

It had been strange, finding a Ochu so far south, but it was easily slain. As it died though it sprayed its fragrant pollen into the air, covering his scales with sticky bits of yellow.

He tromped back to the village, looking forward to a good bath. As he walked through, the catcalls started, '

"Gurlllll..... you smell good."

"Hey Baby, let's make eggs."

"Yo sweet cheeks, are those scales real?"

He hurries home and locks the door behind him, confused.... and a little excited.

Gaspard · **07-24-2014, 03:44 PM**

I usually don't think about it too much. I think Gender equality was pretty much established in the game the moment they've made every single leader of the three main cities a female. In regards to us, that'd be like America, Russia and Korea all having Female Presidents/Leaders.

So I'd say that Eorzea has no true Gender Roles (Given that females occupy so many vast and different roles, in a way, just as various as the ones that males do), and you can find both sexes in each type of job, faction and the likes. It's probably a matter of choice for many whether they adhere to old values of Chivalry (and likewise the females of their nurturing responsibility towards men and children), or whether they adopt more divergent philosophies.

The only ones that come loaded with a good degree of Gender Roles and Gender Inequality would be both Miqo'te sects. Seekers run a straight Patriarchy, where 'Big Daddy' Aka the Nunh has all the say and the rest is there to serve him/serve the pack, and likewise Keepers run a straight matriarchy, where you may very well consider it an Amazon like society, with men serving as little more then the walking child dispensers, and perhaps boys to be emotionally pampered by mommy, never burdened with the responsibility to become leaders as it's not in their nature. But beyond those two, I can hardly see any Gender Roles and/or differences being present in Eorzea, except for what singular Characters might consider their own opinion on it.

TheLastCandle · **07-24-2014, 04:06 PM**

(07-24-2014, 03:44 PM)Gaspard Wrote: I usually don't think about it too much. I think Gender equality was pretty much established in the game the moment they've made every single leader of the three main cities a female. In regards to us, that'd be like America, Russia and Korea all having Female Presidents/Leaders.

So I'd say that Eorzea has no true Gender Roles (Given that females occupy so many vast and different roles, in a way, just as various as the ones that males do), and you can find both sexes in each type of job, faction and the likes. It's probably a matter of choice for many whether they adhere to old values of Chivalry (and likewise the females of their nurturing responsibility towards men and children), or whether they adopt more divergent philosophies.

The only ones that come loaded with a good degree of Gender Roles and Gender Inequality would be both Miqo'te sects. Seekers run a straight Patriarchy, where 'Big Daddy' Aka the Nunh has all the say and the rest is there to serve him/serve the pack, and likewise Keepers run a straight matriarchy, where you may very well consider it an Amazon like society, with men serving as little more then the walking child dispensers, and perhaps boys to be emotionally pampered by mommy, never burdened with the responsibility to become leaders as it's not in their nature. But beyond those two, I can hardly see any Gender Roles and/or differences being present in Eorzea, except for what singular Characters might consider their own opinion on it.

I can't help but find that last paragraph a rather.. oversimplified view of both Miqo'te cultures' workings, but I agree with everything else. Certainly with gender equality being the 'norm' in most of Eorzea. Even Ishgard has its share of female knights serving in the ranks, judging from NPC representation.

Gaspard · **07-24-2014, 04:11 PM**

(07-24-2014, 04:06 PM)TheLastCandle Wrote:
(07-24-2014, 03:44 PM)Gaspard Wrote: I usually don't think about it too much. I think Gender equality was pretty much established in the game the moment they've made every single leader of the three main cities a female. In regards to us, that'd be like America, Russia and Korea all having Female Presidents/Leaders.

So I'd say that Eorzea has no true Gender Roles (Given that females occupy so many vast and different roles, in a way, just as various as the ones that males do), and you can find both sexes in each type of job, faction and the likes. It's probably a matter of choice for many whether they adhere to old values of Chivalry (and likewise the females of their nurturing responsibility towards men and children), or whether they adopt more divergent philosophies.

The only ones that come loaded with a good degree of Gender Roles and Gender Inequality would be both Miqo'te sects. Seekers run a straight Patriarchy, where 'Big Daddy' Aka the Nunh has all the say and the rest is there to serve him/serve the pack, and likewise Keepers run a straight matriarchy, where you may very well consider it an Amazon like society, with men serving as little more then the walking child dispensers, and perhaps boys to be emotionally pampered by mommy, never burdened with the responsibility to become leaders as it's not in their nature. But beyond those two, I can hardly see any Gender Roles and/or differences being present in Eorzea, except for what singular Characters might consider their own opinion on it.

I can't help but find that last paragraph a rather.. oversimplified view of both Miqo'te cultures' workings, but I agree with everything else. Certainly with gender equality being the 'norm' in most of Eorzea. Even Ishgard has its share of female knights serving in the ranks, judging from NPC representation.

It is definitely over-simplified, And I am quite sure there are exceptions to it. However, with Keepers aswell as Seekers, both Patriarchy/Matriarchy seem to be ingrained Tribe properties, and are far more instinctual (and evolutionary) then anything else. My personal theory is that tribe-born Miqo'te for one are more tribal by nature (If raised in a tribe), and that also their sexual instincts do require those dynamics in order for them to be..well, willing to mate. Ofcourse played characters often do represent a large exception to Eorzeas actual citizens.

Zyrusticae · **07-24-2014, 04:19 PM**

I can't help but wonder how much of the gender equality in Eorzea can be explained away by the fact that races like Roegadyn and Lalafell exist. With such massive racial extremes, delegating tasks by physical aptitude makes a lot more sense than doing so through gender divides, particularly since the difference between a Lalafell and a Roegadyn is much, much larger than that of a Hyur male and a Hyur female.

However, there's also the fact that Lalafell warriors are equally as effective in the role as any of the larger races. This is, of course, a concession to game mechanics, but it can also be explained away by one's ability being determined by a confluence of aether and their ability to manipulate it. Hence, physical strength is basically completely irrelevant relative to aether malleability.

Those of you who've done the Amal'jaa beastman quests may have noted that, with the merchant goods recovery quest, he questions how you managed to carry multiple large crates of goods all that way. The answer is obvious: you're superhuman thanks to your insane talent with all things aether (which also explains why you can train any class and any job with equal effectiveness), which may or may not be related to the blessing of Hydaelyn et al. Kind of a Mary Sue/Chosen One style of explanation, but that's how the PC works in this universe, and it's probably the reason why gender equality is actually a thing here (I mean, besides just being a nice thing to have IRL).

So, in summary: the answer is aether.

Kage · **07-24-2014, 04:20 PM**

I... we just had a several page or posts-worth of discussion that snowballed...

because Seekers -aren't- governed by Nunhs typically. It's in the lore that

Quote:"Nunh status does not equate to leadership within a tribe, and in fact, very few nunh ever become leaders."

This is not mean to derail but... just because lore says that Keepers are Matriarchal does not mean that Seekers are Patriarchal.

Melkire · **07-24-2014, 04:21 PM**

(07-24-2014, 04:19 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote: So, in summary: the answer is aether. magic.

Gaspard · **07-24-2014, 04:26 PM**

(07-24-2014, 04:20 PM)ExKage Wrote: I... we just had a several page or posts-worth of discussion that snowballed...

because Seekers -aren't- governed by Nunhs typically. It's in the lore that

Quote:"Nunh status does not equate to leadership within a tribe, and in fact, very few nunh ever become leaders."

This is not mean to derail but... just because lore says that Keepers are Matriarchal does not mean that Seekers are Patriarchal.

Oh, right. I forgot that detail. Nunh status was only related to breeding rights right?

Warren Castille · **07-24-2014, 04:27 PM**

(07-24-2014, 04:19 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote: Those of you who've done the Amal'jaa beastman quests may have noted that, with the merchant goods recovery quest, he questions how you managed to carry multiple large crates of goods all that way. The answer is obvious: you're superhuman thanks to your insane talent with all things aether (which also explains why you can train any class and any job with equal effectiveness), which may or may not be related to the blessing of Hydaelyn et al. Kind of a Mary Sue/Chosen One style of explanation, but that's how the PC works in this universe, and it's probably the reason why gender equality is actually a thing here (I mean, besides just being a nice thing to have IRL).

So, in summary: the answer is aether.

I'm 99% sure that line is meant to reference the fact that we're doing an impossible task outside of a video game. Not everything in the game is meant to be taken at face value.

Aerghwab · **07-24-2014, 04:28 PM**

Amalj'aa sound like dwarves. In certain dwarven subraces, it's extremely common for both males and females to grow long, luxurious beards. As you can imagine, this is sometimes very confusing. For this reason, the dwarves of old instituted the annual Lifting of the Beards festival. The subterranean dwarves dance naked beneath the light of torches, there are literally days and days of revelry of the sort in which only dwarves are rowdy enough to partake. During this most sacred of gyrations, the dwarves lift their beards to display the heretofore concealed portions of their anatomies to their dance partners. If said partner is pleased with what they see, well - you can guess at the rest. Smile

I may have made that whole thing up just now, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

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