(08-03-2014, 10:13 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:(08-03-2014, 09:55 PM)K Wrote: Actually WHM I can confirm, is accessible to the PC. And I will also supply proof.
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/game/#!/jobs/content
Quote:Although the art subsequently became forbidden, it is now in the midst of a revival at the hands of the Padjal, chosen of the elementals.
To me, that is saying Raya-O-Senna is reviving the art and teaching new white mages. In the story, we see her train the first new one. But it is quite possible after the training is done, that she and her brother began teaching more adventurers.
There is not a single piece of info to corroborate this in the questline itself. Â You could also read that line as indicating that the Padjal are "reviving" the art by teaching it to each other (which is repeatedly stated during the questline).
Quote:That quote is pretty open ended, and if only the Padjal could be white mages, then they would be a playable race, otherwise, we would not of even heard of white mages otherwise.
I disagree with that. Â The questline lore simply does not support what you are saying.
Quote:I'm of the opinion that all jobs can be RPable. As long as the player has a story that meets certain restrictions which are:
1) Apply to the lore
2) Doesn't use the main story
Which would eliminate the possibility of being a White Mage because the questline states in no uncertain terms that you, the player, are the only non-Padjal allowed to learn White Magic, and you are only allowed to do so because A-Towa-Kant specifically chose you (and only you ._.) to be his heir. Â Which means to play a White Mage, you're gonna have to stretch the lore somehow to work around the information you're given in the Job quest.
Quote:Number 1 is a "Of course!" and number 2 is basically if everyone used the main story as their character, then no one would have a unique character.
My own character, found her crystal in the sunken temple, from the sixth era, and because the crystal bound to her, she underwent the training from a padjal so as not to abuse the power like white mages of the past.
You're 100% free to play that out, but it doesn't fit the lore of the questline at all. Â :-\
Quote:And even then, her white mage training was still heavily limited, and she focuses solely on the elements themselves. In fact, she rarely uses white magic at all, except in the most dire of needs, because she has a clear understanding of what effect it has on her surroundings.
White Magic properly used (similar to the way Conjury is used, which is a pale imitation of White Magic anyway) shouldn't have any effect at all on the surrounding area. Â It's heavily implied in the explanation for why White Magic was forbidden that the issue with White Magic was that White Mages were misusing it (I'm looking at you, Holy) on a massive basis. Â There's no reason to believe that using Succor as it was originally intended - which was to bring comfort to those in need - would actually cause harm to the world around you.
Ultimately, you can play whatever you want - even the jobs that, lorewise, are restricted to only one person because of terrible quest writing. Â Everyone is free to do that.
Actually if you read number 2, I mentioned not using the main story to explain why you'd be a white mage. And the games story does explain WHY white and black magic became forbidden for a time. It was being used so much that it was using up the aether energies in the atmosphere itself, which caused a calamity.
My interpretation of the lore suggests that after the main story happened, Raya-O-Senna being more open to outsiders learning white magic, which we see throughout the white mage story, would consider teaching it to other adventurers who have proven they wont abuse the powers.
The one who was opposed throughout the story was actually her brother, but even he ended up coming around. Also, I believe there was a follow-up quest that wasn't restricted to white mages, that seemed to suggest they had become more open to adventurers, though I can't recall what quest it was that involved her and her brother.... *looks it up*
Ah right! it was the amdapor unlock, if you went to them as a white mage you get this:
Raya-O-Senna: Ah, a white mage come to help get to the bottom of this noisome business!
So technically, since she trained you, would she not remember you? Instead she merely says a white mage come to help.
So this leaves the lore well open for interpretation, that perhaps your character is not the only adventurer who has become a white mage. In fact, lets also keep in mind the opening cinematic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h542YbZuwkQ
2:04 - White mage is healing the warrior
7:18 - white mage appears with the group
Which means, the white mages were utilized before Bahamut actually appeared. So it's not improbable that someone could find a soul of the white mage from ages past, to become a white mage. It still abides by the lore, the game still supports there being non-padjal white mages in Eorzea.
But yeah I knew when I became a white mage OOCly, if I wanted to be an IC one, I needed to do some heavy homework. I wasn't about to use the game story for it. But I needed an alternative path. So finding a crystal from the sixth era, was my gateway I worked from.
