Different people are invested in different aspects of the game. What doesn't concern you might affect somebody else and the reverse is true as well. At this point there isn't much debate going on at all - it's the same select few posters trying to convince the other side not to feel the way that they do which isn't something that is going to end well.
It's a divisive subject with solid points on both sides - but at this point we've already established how X, Y and X feel about the subject. What we should be focusing on isn't whether X, Y or Z are throwing a fit (which is unlikely given that most people seem to be assuming that this is something the opposing side is losing sleep over) but rather what solutions can be conjured up and put forward to FFXIV's developers over on the official site.
It may be that they don't ever read this thread, or anything posted on the official site for that matter. Either way something is better than nothing and if some people are happy to just overlook the entire matter, that's fine - but they don't really have the right to demand or pressure everybody else into brushing the issue under the rug if it's something they feel strongly about.
The short term solutions are better than nothing but they don't really address the core issue which is a major shortage of available houses. Once they start actively addressing the long term issues with player housing then I'll be very happy. If they don't? Well I'm not going to leave the game over it as I find it enjoyable enough to continue investing in for other reasons.
I think there's a communication issue here - I'm not upset. I'm not losing sleep over this. I'm just...well, British. I'm naturally blunt and direct - I enjoy a solid debate but I enjoy a civil debate. I haven't launched any personal attacks, though I have expressed frustration in regards to the tone and implications surrounding certain posts.
If people want further clarity in regards to my posting style they're welcome to approach me either within this thread or via a PM. I don't bite.
It would be much more efficient to just eliminate the perceived problematic posts instead of stifling discussion of the subject entirely. As someone who has done moderator work elsewhere (MMO-Champion to be precise) I'm no stranger to heated debate and...in all honesty I can't help but feel as though there's a bit of a knee jerk reaction over on this site.Â
Ultimately it's your site and your rules (for the moderation team/admin team as a whole) but so far I can't really see anything that is truly worthy of an entire subject being locked down. If three students in a class of thirty are causing trouble then it's not fair for the tutor to toss everybody into an after school detention. Punishing everybody for the actions of a few is a very slippery slope.
It's a divisive subject with solid points on both sides - but at this point we've already established how X, Y and X feel about the subject. What we should be focusing on isn't whether X, Y or Z are throwing a fit (which is unlikely given that most people seem to be assuming that this is something the opposing side is losing sleep over) but rather what solutions can be conjured up and put forward to FFXIV's developers over on the official site.
It may be that they don't ever read this thread, or anything posted on the official site for that matter. Either way something is better than nothing and if some people are happy to just overlook the entire matter, that's fine - but they don't really have the right to demand or pressure everybody else into brushing the issue under the rug if it's something they feel strongly about.
The short term solutions are better than nothing but they don't really address the core issue which is a major shortage of available houses. Once they start actively addressing the long term issues with player housing then I'll be very happy. If they don't? Well I'm not going to leave the game over it as I find it enjoyable enough to continue investing in for other reasons.
I think there's a communication issue here - I'm not upset. I'm not losing sleep over this. I'm just...well, British. I'm naturally blunt and direct - I enjoy a solid debate but I enjoy a civil debate. I haven't launched any personal attacks, though I have expressed frustration in regards to the tone and implications surrounding certain posts.
If people want further clarity in regards to my posting style they're welcome to approach me either within this thread or via a PM. I don't bite.
(09-24-2014, 09:55 AM)Alothia Wrote: Guys, please keep this discussion civil, or we're going to have to lock the thread and put out another moratorium. We're all adults (I hope), so let's maintain a civil conversation about this topic. It's an important topic, one we're all pretty invested in as RPers...I'd like to continue being able to read discussion on it.
Thanks!
It would be much more efficient to just eliminate the perceived problematic posts instead of stifling discussion of the subject entirely. As someone who has done moderator work elsewhere (MMO-Champion to be precise) I'm no stranger to heated debate and...in all honesty I can't help but feel as though there's a bit of a knee jerk reaction over on this site.Â
Ultimately it's your site and your rules (for the moderation team/admin team as a whole) but so far I can't really see anything that is truly worthy of an entire subject being locked down. If three students in a class of thirty are causing trouble then it's not fair for the tutor to toss everybody into an after school detention. Punishing everybody for the actions of a few is a very slippery slope.
