Holy thread necro, Batman. 
IMO, clichés get, well, cliché when their execution is poor -- and by that I mean when they don't inform the character at all and exist in a narrative void. Consider the classic trope of an orphan. It's cliché when a character is an orphan and that has no effect on the character at all except to be casually mentioned in conversation. It's awesome where the circumstances and consequences of that event affect the character, and when you hear, "I'm an orphan," IC from that character (preferably in a plausible context), you say, "Ah! That ties some of your actions and behaviors together. It makes sense."
...And I guess all that comes back to writing quality, I suppose.
Also, I've got to agree that Sueism, while it can involve clichés, doesn't need to have them. It's more of an OOC mentality that manifests in both IC and OOC behaviors, IMO.
IMO, clichés get, well, cliché when their execution is poor -- and by that I mean when they don't inform the character at all and exist in a narrative void. Consider the classic trope of an orphan. It's cliché when a character is an orphan and that has no effect on the character at all except to be casually mentioned in conversation. It's awesome where the circumstances and consequences of that event affect the character, and when you hear, "I'm an orphan," IC from that character (preferably in a plausible context), you say, "Ah! That ties some of your actions and behaviors together. It makes sense."
...And I guess all that comes back to writing quality, I suppose.
Also, I've got to agree that Sueism, while it can involve clichés, doesn't need to have them. It's more of an OOC mentality that manifests in both IC and OOC behaviors, IMO.
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