(02-22-2015, 04:59 PM)Presidio Wrote: You say "we can all take steps to avoid it" but the steps being suggested are put entirely on the excluded person. That's what I'm getting at. Someone shows up and says "I have a problem" and a thousand people offer "well have you tried this?"
If the community was as inclusive as it sees itself then it wouldn't be "have you tried this" and would instead be "okay here's how we're going to all help solve this problem."
Instead it's been "this is what you should do" followed by pages of people explaining why the person might've been ignored from their perspective.
None of this helps the person much, it just puts the onus on them to help themself.
I sincerely hope you will not take this personal ; You are almost coming from a 'Victim' type of position at this point. The way you describe it is as if you expect players who are already playing to simply keep adding/including others into their plays on the sole basis that they should be required to do so. Putting yourself out there is your responsibility, having Roleplay is your responsibility. You cannot wait or expect others to create Roleplay for you, or to create scenarios for yourself to include yourself in. Some people do this, including myself, but the large majority often looks to others to start things over and mule when there's no one to do so.Â
That being said, all those you see roleplaying already did something right, they approached eachother beforehand probably, did the OOC bits necessary and therefore are roleplaying. If you personally refuse to do such, or expect them to be as open as to include everyone they see not roleplaying into their own Roleplay, you will sadly remain stuck with no one to play with. From your standpoint this may seem harsh, but it 'is' fact. There's little to no incentive for people to simply 'add others' based on the fact that they are present, silent, and voice nothing. Also, from a Realism standpoint ; Take any type of public location, diner, Club, or such, and tell me what you see. The majority of people go about their business, dine with their friends, or party with their friends, and only if there's a good connection with others this circle expands during that time. However, it's almost never the case that you see every single person that enters a social establishment suddenly group with everyone in a social endevaour where everyone drinks together, talks together, dances together or such. The same applies to RP. It's illogical to expect that, simply because you're in the Quicksand, you will automatically be included in Roleplay. You have to be proactive. You have to take those first steps if you want to play with people that are essentially foreigners to you ICly and OOCly.
I can fully understand if you may feel slighted and/or excluded for the fact that you see so many people playing with eachother, roleplaying, and you being left out. But take a minute to understand how their roleplay came about to be. They, like you, have started with no contacts, no people to play with, and had to 'put themselves out there', Either through OOC motions such as joining a FC, /telling people and making friends/contacts and/or creating forum adds describing the specific Roleplay they sought for. Through that, their contacts grow, the people they know grow, and eventually they have a stable base of people to play with.
Roleplaying is always a pro-active endveaour. You need people that sit down with you, iniitate, and provide scenarios that 'feed rp', so to speak, and enable others to act towards it. If none of this is provided, you have everyone 'waiting', wondering why the get no roleplay.
All that being said. It may seem harsh to you at first, but truly, this is the way things  happen. If you wish to finally experience RP the way you look forward to it, you need to keep positive about it, and always understand that no one owes you anything in regards to attention or Roleplay. You have to grab their attention, see if they wish to roleplay with you.
Atlast but not least, I would also like to mention that there's a distinct difference between a Clique, and a Group. Cliques exclude on the basis that they're 'too cool for noobs', or on the basis that they're 'too edgy to hang with scrubs'.
A RP group therein is a group of players that frequently play with eachother, probably have a plot running for themselves in the background involving their group 'and' have put the necessary work into it to make it happen. To slam them for being social, active, and absorbed by what they helped create is akin to shaming a roleplayer for roleplaying.
I guess, you could say the moral of my post is;
You cannot assume a position of victimization and saying that 'the others are at fault' for not including you, If they have roleplay wherein you have none. They're clearly doing something right, something you're missing. Now you have a thread full of truly helpful input that could, if you took it as such, help you find exactly what you are looking for, yet you deny this as help, infact, you slam it as criticism.
Again. I might've formulated bits of this harshly, but I hope it makes you understand where I'm coming from with this
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