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RE: Female to Male Ratio |
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03-02-2015, 07:04 PM
(03-02-2015, 06:26 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote:
(03-02-2015, 06:03 PM)Knight Kat Wrote:
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Wow, I'm going to get my say in before this thread is locked.

How about we consider that Eorzea is not the real world, and has many many factors that would make it so our typical real world culture and gender roles do not apply to all things?

Roegadyn women. So big and strong that about the only males who might be just as strong, or stronger, are Highlander men and Roegadyn men. Female Roegadyn would probably make excellent hard-labor workers and soldiers.

Lalafell men and women are built almost identical. Size and shape is pretty much the same. It's often hard to tell the difference unless you see facial hair, makeup or gender-based hairstyles.

Miqo'te may be portrayed in a highly sexualized manner, but also consider that the lore absolutely confirms that males are born far less often than females. In such a society, males are too few to be the primary hunters, fighters and workers. Females would have to do most of that, and they would have to be good at it or they would die out.

You might try to apply typical real world culture and gender roles to Elezen and Hyur then, but there are many female Hyur and Elezen in the Grand Companies and Law-enforcement forces. You see them everywhere.

Then there is aether. It can be used by a tiny Lalafell to cast big fireballs to destroy magitek robots.

"Size matters not." -Yoda.

What is my point in all this? Gender roles and modern culture exist for a reason. But, the factors that make our real world culture what it usually is do not fully apply to this fantasy world. Sure there are sexualized portrayals of genders in Eorzea (just look at the female workers in the Golden Saucer...), but there are also legendary heroes like the female Dragoon named Rainette.

What is and isn't an accurate depiction of a woman or a man in this game can not be accurately judged based on our real world culture and ideals.

Man, I see this argument a LOT.

The problem with it is that Eorzea is still a world of pure fiction, made by human beings with all the values and perspectives of humans from our own planet Earth. And of course, the other people playing those characters are all human beings themselves, all from planet Earth, and there is simply no way to ignore this. It colors everything, sometimes in small ways, sometimes in really overt ways (the dragoon gut window and the ninja hakama being really obvious examples, among others). Ideally both the developers and the players would focus on making the fictional world as believable and immersive as possible, but this doesn't always happen... hence this discussion.

Well I, and others who apparently make this argument "a LOT", are also human beings from this planet Earth, and are no more special than anyone else.

If I am capable of setting aside and rethinking at least some real world culture and gender perceptions based on the lore and portrayals in the game then surely others are capable of such too. That is the point of this argument that is apparently made a lot. I presume that there are those out there not thinking beyond their own cultural perceptions, and I made my argument in hopes of them stopping and thinking about it. Once again, this is something I am capable of, so I assumed others are as well.

I can also be guilty of my own cultural perceptions coloring my thoughts and views, but it is not an excuse to not think outside of them once in awhile. I see people saying things "accurate portrayals" then talking about real world context. I understand why they are doing it, but I assert it isn't entirely accurate to do so.

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