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(03-20-2015, 08:17 AM)Imo Wrote: Sure. Most of Batman fans, and a lot of his writers, consider him an unreachable mental colossus, who can beat anyone with enough preparation. And among nerds, someone who's super-smart is a bigger power fantasy than someone who's super-strong. Especially if through that brain he's able to defeat the super-strong guy.
Batman has a lot of flaws, but they're the cool kinds of flaws, like being mistrusted by The Man, or his obsessive determination. Mary Sues often have those kinds of flaws - flaws that are bad on paper, but in practice their purpose is to showcase how awesome you are.
Do note that we're talking about bad writers here. A good writer will create a more three-dimensional image of Batman... But they will also create a more three-dimensional image of Superman. Either character can be written good or bad. Batman has more fanboys, though.
(I actually prefer Batman, despite everything that was said here.)
Ah. I always considered Batman's flaws to be the anti-hero ones, which can be its own trope, but I never considered part of the Mary Sue rules. I've always thought of a Sue as someone who is wholesome and wonderful and good and always right and always the best. Bats has some of those in common, maybe, and he's definitely got a formidable set of plot armor and the sort when writers need to use it, but...
Well, I'm clearly basing my views on one particular set of guidelines. Thanks for the reply, though.
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