(04-17-2015, 03:01 PM)Kayllen Wrote: We don't know for sure that all the houses in Ishgard are Elezen and/or that only Elezen are part of the aristocracy. What we DO know is that Elezen are the majority population, thus increasing the chances that they will reach 'station' by population density alone.Yes we do know that the major Houses are entirely Elezen (three Wildwood, one Duskwight). There's no evidence of non-Elezen Houses, so I can I turn your own mantra against you? Evidence please :-]
The reason the houses are Elezen is because they were there first. Its their city. Hyur are newcomers who have integrated over the past several centuries. The reason Elezen are better and more important is because its their city. Hyur are newcomers. Its not much of a leap.
Quote:It only flies in the face of what we know if we accept the very little we do know as the 'end all; be all'. Luckily that would be irrational and something that most people would avoid doing. Does your opinion that "It is likely that non-Elezen may have a harder time advancing in society" a possible and probable one? Yes, if not just from population density then from cultural examples of the Elezen seeming to be primarily the ones in positions of power. Is that evidence of racism? Still no. It MIGHT be argued that there is a class-privilege issue, though, but I won't back that horse without some more data.I disagree entirely. Racism is the standard in Eorzea. We know that Ishgard society is racially segregated at the very top (there simply are none but Elezen there). It is possible that beneath this very top layer this situation simply ceases to exist, and all live with harmony united by their common religious conviction; however, this just does not agree with my intuition. It is possible (as I said, we don't know) but I think this is a significantly greater logical leap than to assume that the same stratification is the norm all the way down.
Quote:We would still have great cause to speak of it, actually. Evidence is what causes discussion to occur with actual logical debate. Without evidence you're just arguing conjecture and that ain't no way to be, mayun.Evidence in the case of a yes/no proposition tends to settle the matter! And I would again turn your presumption on its head. National and cultural racism are the norm in Eorzea. The weight to overturn the proposition rests on those attempting to claim it does not exist.
So without evidence of your cultural racism assertion I state firmly, again, that without any proof we can only assume that national/cultural racism in Ishgard is actually -not- a thing. For now.
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