(05-05-2015, 02:50 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: This is incorrect and takes away from your whole dialogue.
It... really isn't?
Denying a roleplayer's IC existence is something that will always have OOC implications, plain and simple. To ignore this is a sign of someone that doesn't understand the power and effects our words can have on another and I suggest that anyone who does really needs to pull back and think about what they're saying before it comes out of their mouth.
(05-05-2015, 04:38 PM)Verad Wrote: I'm more interested in the following: It's one thing for people to make claims about certain characters, and to write them off as insane or delusional or whatever. I'm not one-hundred percent on-board with that particular choice but I recognize it's a valid one.
What do you, however, when the player proves it through some metaphysical means? Some dimensional traveller, to use Klin's example, leaps into another Final Fantasy setting in front of you and comes back with Shantotto. Somebody claiming to be a primal manifests as such in front of you. For the more hardline lore-hounds, a WHM casts Succor or Holy. In short, something that would have a tangible effect on the world and can't be denied by a simple claim of insanity.
It's possible to retcon the matter and say that the person only said they did these things, and it didn't actually happen, but that's very much not letting the character lead; it's making an OOC judgment call in the moment and declaring that a fact stated by another player isn't actually a fact. On the other hand, taking the claim on faith and reacting to it means having to grapple with denying it IC at a later date. How do you address this problem?
I think addressing a situation like this really depends on the context. I would never deny a White Mage using something like Holy to protect a skeptic in the wild from one of the countless dangers of Eorzea, but to use those powers as a glorified parlor trick is another story. White Magic is currently a taboo; that's not the kind of attention a White Mage wants, at least not one that acquired their powers through legitimate means. In this case, I'd think it'd be better to politely point out these lore points to the player in question. Turn it into a discussion that can better their understanding of the game world as opposed to going straight for blind hostility.
As for me? If it's not harming anyone, then frankly it's none of my business, or anyone else's for that matter. There's very little I won't roll with and my exceptions are reserved only for those situations that are just so far-fetched that they enter the realm of F-grade fan fiction from the deepest, darkest depths of the internet. Either that or it's someone approaching a sensitive subject in a disrespectful and insensitive sort of manner (i.e. sexual assault, LGBT issues, etc.)
(05-07-2015, 01:51 AM)Seriphyn Wrote: Because my particular interpretation of the lore doesn't make room for the idea that PCs can be white mages (though I haven't actually encountered white mages in-character yet, nor would Kale really know what they are).
I'm not going to start shit over it, so likewise, I shouldn't expect to have a different interpretation of the lore forced on me where PCs -are- allowed to be white mages.
(05-07-2015, 03:24 AM)ArmachiA Wrote: I'm not going to force you to see my view on it - which is, in lore says only Padjal can be WHMs, are you going to force me to see yours - which is game mechanics means we should be able to play whatever we like?
Having your interpretation is fine, but when it creates a hostile, dismissive environment, when it flat out ignores in-game dialog, that's when I'm going to take issue.
No, seriously, saying that someone can't be a White Mage goes straight against what's said towards the end of the first job quest:
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Not exactly flattering for a community that has this tendency to place far too much value on pre-determined questlines over more important things.
(05-07-2015, 03:24 AM)ArmachiA Wrote: Please tell me how I, someone who believes 100% that PCs cannot be White Mages, and you, someone who 100% believes it doesn't matter can come together and come to an agreement beyond going to our respective corners and leaving each other to rp in peace.
You could start by sitting down and asking questions. Try to understand the why behind that choice, the subtext it's intended to build and how it shapes the character in question as they evolve through subsequent events and interactions.
I mean, isn't that what storytelling is all about, anyway?
