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Alright, I've held my peace until I calmed down, and now I feel sufficiently well rested to respond to this thread as a whole.
Not everyone is going to like all the rules all the time. It's a fact of life. Does that mean you don't have to uphold them? No. Does that mean we can't discuss them in a peaceful manner? Also no. But raging in a thread that uses a title that is hyperbolic and incendiary is not discussion. It's rabble rousing. If I remember correctly, there is a thread that is specifically for discussion of the rules. I think that the majority of what is being said there could have been said there.
In the first post, the warning that is in question was given by me. Before I gave the warning, I checked with the two other mods that happened to be online to see if I was correct in giving the warning. While the thread was in the Off-Topic forum, it seemed to be of a fairly serious nature. People were contributing to the thread in an insightful and well thought out manner. While I appreciated the humor in Edda's post, it didn't fit with the spirit of the thread, I felt. Again, this is why I tried to get consensus from the other moderators before taking any action. Both moderators online agreed with my assessment, and I went forward with the warning. My justification was that, although it was funny, it did try to derail the thread somewhat. No one is saying that you can't post pictures at all in threads. But it didn't add anything to the discussion other than a haha. If the picture and comment had been followed by something that contributed to the thread as a whole, I would have taken no issue with it. I think that that's the line that we're trying to fall on. Sure, there are some threads where just a picture is warranted, like the ones specifically labeled as picture/gif threads. There is a tendency for people to go off onto tangents of image/meme/gif postings, and so I was trying to keep that from happening. I'm not as verbose in explaining things as Melkire is, so forgive me if this comes off as disjointed. I'm doing what I can.
There is going to be times when people don't think things are fair. I get that. Again, raising a hubbub over it isn't the way to get your voice heard. In general, I think we're more likely to hear out a well thought out post that is sent to us in PMs than an entire thread to calling us a "police state." Â I think that goes for most people.
As far as the number of warnings that it takes to get a permaban, I'm in the camp that says that perhaps what we've set is even too much. How many chances does it take to understand what is expected? I don't want this to be a place where anyone can say whatever they want with no expected consequences. There's a reason I love this website and this community as a whole. We're not like some of the other RP sites for other games. We've always had a higher standard for our members. I don't think that it's a bad thing. And we can agree to disagree on that point. I'd rather have a place with some semblance of order than chaos. There's a reason I avoid places like 4chan. Again, some people don't like that. You're entitled to your opinion.Â
Many people in this thread have left valid concerns, and it's something that we as a mod team are taking into consideration. We're trying to clarify the rules so that everyone can be consistent: mods and non mods alike. You're going to make mistakes. We're going to make mistakes. We're only human. I will reiterate...if you're feeling angry or emotional, take a step away from the keyboard. I've had to do it before. I had to do it last night.Â
I don't have much else to say on the subject. I just wanted to get my thoughts down before I lost it all. This is a great community with a great player base. I'd like to see us come together to figure this all out together. But I can't make people stay if they dislike how things are done. I can only say that we'll try and work with suggestions and we'll take thoughts into consideration. But we can't listen to everyone. Keep that in mind. Someone is going to end up unhappy, and as much as it sucks, it's the truth of the matter.Â
Happy journeys in Eorzea and here on the RPC. I'll probably go quiet for the rest of the day, but I'll be keeping tabs on stuff. If you need me, you know how to get a hold of me.
Not everyone is going to like all the rules all the time. It's a fact of life. Does that mean you don't have to uphold them? No. Does that mean we can't discuss them in a peaceful manner? Also no. But raging in a thread that uses a title that is hyperbolic and incendiary is not discussion. It's rabble rousing. If I remember correctly, there is a thread that is specifically for discussion of the rules. I think that the majority of what is being said there could have been said there.
In the first post, the warning that is in question was given by me. Before I gave the warning, I checked with the two other mods that happened to be online to see if I was correct in giving the warning. While the thread was in the Off-Topic forum, it seemed to be of a fairly serious nature. People were contributing to the thread in an insightful and well thought out manner. While I appreciated the humor in Edda's post, it didn't fit with the spirit of the thread, I felt. Again, this is why I tried to get consensus from the other moderators before taking any action. Both moderators online agreed with my assessment, and I went forward with the warning. My justification was that, although it was funny, it did try to derail the thread somewhat. No one is saying that you can't post pictures at all in threads. But it didn't add anything to the discussion other than a haha. If the picture and comment had been followed by something that contributed to the thread as a whole, I would have taken no issue with it. I think that that's the line that we're trying to fall on. Sure, there are some threads where just a picture is warranted, like the ones specifically labeled as picture/gif threads. There is a tendency for people to go off onto tangents of image/meme/gif postings, and so I was trying to keep that from happening. I'm not as verbose in explaining things as Melkire is, so forgive me if this comes off as disjointed. I'm doing what I can.
There is going to be times when people don't think things are fair. I get that. Again, raising a hubbub over it isn't the way to get your voice heard. In general, I think we're more likely to hear out a well thought out post that is sent to us in PMs than an entire thread to calling us a "police state." Â I think that goes for most people.
As far as the number of warnings that it takes to get a permaban, I'm in the camp that says that perhaps what we've set is even too much. How many chances does it take to understand what is expected? I don't want this to be a place where anyone can say whatever they want with no expected consequences. There's a reason I love this website and this community as a whole. We're not like some of the other RP sites for other games. We've always had a higher standard for our members. I don't think that it's a bad thing. And we can agree to disagree on that point. I'd rather have a place with some semblance of order than chaos. There's a reason I avoid places like 4chan. Again, some people don't like that. You're entitled to your opinion.Â
Many people in this thread have left valid concerns, and it's something that we as a mod team are taking into consideration. We're trying to clarify the rules so that everyone can be consistent: mods and non mods alike. You're going to make mistakes. We're going to make mistakes. We're only human. I will reiterate...if you're feeling angry or emotional, take a step away from the keyboard. I've had to do it before. I had to do it last night.Â
I don't have much else to say on the subject. I just wanted to get my thoughts down before I lost it all. This is a great community with a great player base. I'd like to see us come together to figure this all out together. But I can't make people stay if they dislike how things are done. I can only say that we'll try and work with suggestions and we'll take thoughts into consideration. But we can't listen to everyone. Keep that in mind. Someone is going to end up unhappy, and as much as it sucks, it's the truth of the matter.Â
Happy journeys in Eorzea and here on the RPC. I'll probably go quiet for the rest of the day, but I'll be keeping tabs on stuff. If you need me, you know how to get a hold of me.
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