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RE: Is this common for tanks? |
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05-19-2015, 09:22 PM
(This post was last modified: 05-19-2015, 09:34 PM by Caspar.)
(05-16-2015, 03:25 AM)hauntmedoitagain Wrote:
(05-16-2015, 02:00 AM)Edda Wrote: *snipped for length*

You're... joking, right?

If it was a healer's job to DPS, then they would be queued as such in duty finder, or at least given the option to do so.

As it stands now, this is not how the game is designed, thus if you are WHM or SCH, your first and foremost priority should be the safety and well-being of your fellow party members. If you don't feel comfortable DPSing, then don't. There's no reason to take a risk just because you can and frankly there's very little I can think of more frustrating than watching some wannabe BLM spam Holy over and over while everyone else burns.

If there's a reasonable window to switch into Cleric's, then sure, go for it, but it's not a requirement by any means, nor does it shirk one from what they were brought there to do in the first place just because the option is available.

It's selfish attitudes like this that push our potential healers away from ever picking up a cane or grimoire. No one deserves to be abused for having what ultimately amounts to a cautious play style, much less so if they're wiling to endure what is, in my opinion, the most selfless role one can ever play in an RPG.

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I think that you are not obligated to DPS as a healer. My static's WHM takes this attitude. She averages like 2-3 dps.

So she solo-heals everything. The SCH basically only DPS and mitigates when absolutely necessary. Sure she doesn't DPS, but when you don't, you should be taken to task to make up for it in other ways. To take ownership of your role in the party means to learn to do everything that the class entails. If you wish to play only a certain way, that's fine. There are groups and players who will accommodate that play style. Much as a Healer isn't obligated to DPS, parties are not obligated to accept one who doesn't in hard content. The 200-300 our SCH does has been instrumental in ensuring our static beats every DPS check with ease, and has done so since First Coil. If you don't avail yourself of every useful tool your class possesses, expect criticism. It's like a Monk not using Fists of Earth to mitigate unavoidable damage; there's no reason not to, aside from of course lack of comfort or practice in a given fight, being caught unawares, etc. I just hope the critic is polite about it.

I don't think easy content should be taken quite as seriously, but I'd say something similar to what Otto did; low effort on the part of the Healer, or any party member in easy content, sometimes reflects a disregard for the free time of others as well as your own. I think that's different from being cautious because the tank gets hit hard. To a certain extent, I also sort of feel that learning how much damage a tank can generally take before they're in danger is part of learning when to use Cleric's Stance, which can be a helpful tool for understanding how to heal efficiently as well as deal damage. I myself try to do as much damage as possible in every single role I play. I don't like wasting time and I don't like wasting the time of others, though I have to be cautious when playing a class I'm not as comfortable with. I don't think people should just open up a can of verbal whoopass on a healer who doesn't DPS, but that's more of a problem with personality than the game or in game culture itself. Obviously some people take it too far.

In my experience, the player who is willing to change their own play and understands their role in more than one way, not just in healing, or doing damage, is the one who clears. To me that's 'selfless'; being willing to extend outside of your comfort zone and learn a new approach. Doing well in this game doesn't take some innate inborn talent or meticulous study, just time and an attitude adjustment IMO.

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Is this common for tanks? - by Leomoon - 05-15-2015, 05:15 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Warren Castille - 05-15-2015, 05:19 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Unnamed Mercenary - 05-15-2015, 05:19 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Edda - 05-15-2015, 05:21 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by K'nahli - 05-15-2015, 05:22 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Edda - 05-15-2015, 05:26 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by K'nahli - 05-15-2015, 05:28 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Leomoon - 05-17-2015, 12:39 AM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Melkire - 05-15-2015, 05:25 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Nebbs - 05-15-2015, 07:10 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Nako Vesh - 05-15-2015, 07:21 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Erik Mynhier - 05-15-2015, 08:03 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Kasumi Gakunin - 05-15-2015, 08:09 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Unnamed Mercenary - 05-15-2015, 08:19 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Gegenji - 05-15-2015, 08:20 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by K'nahli - 05-15-2015, 08:24 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Enla - 05-15-2015, 08:27 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by C'kayah Polaali - 05-15-2015, 08:28 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Melkire - 05-15-2015, 08:31 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Harmonixer - 05-15-2015, 08:47 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Qhora Bajihri - 05-15-2015, 09:26 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Melkire - 05-15-2015, 10:02 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by SicketySix - 05-15-2015, 09:55 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Sounsyy - 05-15-2015, 10:58 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Zyrusticae - 05-15-2015, 11:32 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Sounsyy - 05-16-2015, 07:10 AM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Kasumi Gakunin - 05-16-2015, 08:54 AM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Kasumi Gakunin - 05-16-2015, 01:22 AM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Edda - 05-16-2015, 02:00 AM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Gone. - 05-16-2015, 03:25 AM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Edda - 05-16-2015, 04:23 AM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Unnamed Mercenary - 05-16-2015, 10:54 AM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Caspar - 05-19-2015, 09:22 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Kasumi Gakunin - 05-16-2015, 05:04 AM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Nako Vesh - 05-16-2015, 03:11 AM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Warren Castille - 05-16-2015, 04:06 AM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by OttoVann - 05-16-2015, 04:19 AM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Cato - 05-16-2015, 04:53 AM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Gegenji - 05-16-2015, 11:00 AM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Kellach Woods - 05-16-2015, 12:15 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by C'kayah Polaali - 05-16-2015, 03:09 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Qhora Bajihri - 05-16-2015, 03:44 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Jana - 05-16-2015, 04:37 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Fox - 05-16-2015, 05:58 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Gone. - 05-16-2015, 07:29 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Nebbs - 05-16-2015, 07:48 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Melkire - 05-16-2015, 07:42 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Warren Castille - 05-16-2015, 07:48 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Melkire - 05-16-2015, 07:52 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Warren Castille - 05-16-2015, 07:55 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Edda - 05-16-2015, 08:47 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Kellach Woods - 05-16-2015, 09:21 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Qhora Bajihri - 05-16-2015, 10:28 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Jana - 05-17-2015, 03:28 AM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Sounsyy - 05-17-2015, 09:38 AM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Kellach Woods - 05-16-2015, 10:47 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Kellach Woods - 05-17-2015, 09:45 AM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Cailean Lockwood - 05-19-2015, 10:08 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Caspar - 05-19-2015, 10:18 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Cailean Lockwood - 05-19-2015, 11:18 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Flickering Ember - 05-19-2015, 11:21 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Kellach Woods - 05-20-2015, 07:54 AM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Asmodean - 05-20-2015, 09:10 AM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Gegenji - 05-20-2015, 08:21 AM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Sounsyy - 05-20-2015, 01:28 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by LiadansWhisper - 05-21-2015, 12:08 AM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Kellach Woods - 05-21-2015, 07:08 AM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Aduu Avagnar - 05-21-2015, 07:33 AM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Kellach Woods - 05-21-2015, 07:37 AM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Gegenji - 05-21-2015, 07:40 AM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Kellach Woods - 05-21-2015, 07:37 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by McBeefâ„¢ - 05-21-2015, 07:42 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Kellach Woods - 05-21-2015, 07:45 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by McBeefâ„¢ - 05-21-2015, 07:51 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Kellach Woods - 05-21-2015, 08:02 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by McBeefâ„¢ - 05-21-2015, 08:06 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Melkire - 05-21-2015, 08:10 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Kellach Woods - 05-21-2015, 09:07 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by McBeefâ„¢ - 05-21-2015, 09:46 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Melkire - 05-21-2015, 07:46 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Kellach Woods - 05-21-2015, 09:57 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by McBeefâ„¢ - 05-21-2015, 10:01 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Kellach Woods - 05-21-2015, 10:29 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by OverlordOutpost - 05-22-2015, 12:12 PM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Kellach Woods - 05-23-2015, 01:03 AM
RE: Is this common for tanks? - by Jonexe - 05-25-2015, 08:04 PM

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