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RE: Roleplaying the bad guy |
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05-28-2015, 08:06 AM
(This post was last modified: 05-28-2015, 08:22 AM by Enteris.)
(05-28-2015, 04:21 AM)K Wrote: A lot of these posts seem to hinge on the premise that the "good" guys always win.  As if that's a necessary element for a story to have.  Every character is the protagonist of their own story. 

Now obviously as enlightened people in the twenty-first century we accept that certain modes of thinking are deleterious to social cohesion.  Slavery, murder, and destruction of property are wrong.  Throughout much of history however, these concepts have been less than consistent.  The fact that a character might ascribe to an unpleasant philosophy may label them a villain, but it doesn't doom them to failure. 

Stories don't always end happily ever after.  Sometimes the aggressive jerk who starts a fight winds up beating the peaceful person who didn't want any trouble to begin with.  As story tellers, we shouldn't close ourselves off to possibilities by starting with the assumption that bad guys get theirs.
I'm glad someone else feels the same about these posts as I do. I've been hesitant to post simply because the general consensus seemed to be the non-hero character always loses. When this isn't true.

Two examples come to mind of the non-heroes winning.


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Spoiler for spoilersThe first is right here in this very game and, honestly, I'm surprised no one has mentioned it since many of the people in this thread claimed it to be "such good writing... I cried my eyes out..." etc. In Ul'dah, the non-heroes won. And if the HW trailer is anything to go by, it doesn't look like something that is going to be "fixed" any time soon.

The second is in Arrow (the TV series). Perhaps a controversial win, but the damage was still done. Malcolm still killed a ton of people with his earthquake machine and the effects of it are felt into the next season (granted I'm only now going through Season 2, so if they somehow reverse the earthquake's effects and bring all those people back to life, my apologies for bringing this up.) Now, of course he did die, but... he still did his villainous act.


I'm sure there are many other examples out there that just aren't coming to mind right away, but the heroes don't always have to win.

Secondly, I honestly think that disregarding my non-hero's rights as a character is absolutely absurd. My being part of the "realism" crowd, I imagine what you're trying to say here is that if the non-hero character ends up in a situation where they would realistically have to meet some sort of consequence, then it behooves the player of said character to roleplay it as such. And I imagine, and hope, that the majority of RPers here who play less-than-white knight characters would agree to that. Hell, I hope and pray that the maority of hero players also accept said consequences when they come along...

Of course, the dead horse... blah blah blah communication blah blah blah. It's improtant, don't get me wrong, just its been said so much that it shouldn't need repeating.

Just... don't expect me to suddenly waive my character's rights as a character because of some convoluted mindset that only good guys win/exist. Sorry, not going to happen.

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Roleplaying the bad guy - by Emberhair - 05-24-2015, 12:17 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Aaron - 05-24-2015, 12:27 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Emberhair - 05-24-2015, 12:39 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Aaron - 05-24-2015, 12:43 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Khaine - 05-24-2015, 12:39 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Emberhair - 05-24-2015, 12:46 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Blue - 05-24-2015, 12:54 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Emberhair - 05-24-2015, 01:04 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Blue - 05-24-2015, 01:17 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Khaine - 05-24-2015, 01:20 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Emberhair - 05-24-2015, 01:36 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Val - 05-24-2015, 02:18 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by WhiteLycanXII - 05-24-2015, 02:35 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Telluride - 05-24-2015, 02:45 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Warren Castille - 05-24-2015, 02:51 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Emberhair - 05-24-2015, 05:11 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Harmonixer - 05-24-2015, 02:59 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Emberhair - 05-24-2015, 05:18 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Khaine - 05-24-2015, 05:40 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Gone. - 05-24-2015, 05:36 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Sophia_Grave - 05-24-2015, 05:41 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by cuideag - 05-24-2015, 06:43 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Hammersmith - 05-25-2015, 01:03 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Verad - 05-26-2015, 12:17 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by industrythirteen - 05-25-2015, 01:23 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Nebbs - 05-25-2015, 02:36 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Qhora Bajihri - 05-25-2015, 03:57 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Ashe - 05-25-2015, 04:09 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Emberhair - 05-25-2015, 07:27 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Ashe - 05-25-2015, 03:11 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Warren Castille - 05-25-2015, 10:42 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Mae - 05-25-2015, 11:25 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Nero - 05-26-2015, 01:14 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Verad - 05-26-2015, 01:23 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Nero - 05-26-2015, 10:49 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Imo - 05-26-2015, 05:59 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Qhora Bajihri - 05-27-2015, 01:20 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by K'hatos - 05-27-2015, 03:40 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Uther - 05-27-2015, 04:45 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by K'hatos - 05-27-2015, 12:13 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Mercurias - 05-27-2015, 10:56 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Emberhair - 05-27-2015, 11:46 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Mercurias - 05-27-2015, 12:08 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Hyrist - 05-27-2015, 12:22 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Telluride - 05-27-2015, 12:29 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Hyrist - 05-27-2015, 12:05 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Mercurias - 05-27-2015, 01:54 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Hyrist - 05-27-2015, 09:32 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Imo - 05-27-2015, 12:31 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Qhora Bajihri - 05-27-2015, 03:35 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Aduu Avagnar - 05-27-2015, 04:37 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Mercurias - 05-27-2015, 06:33 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Telluride - 05-28-2015, 09:29 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Warren Castille - 05-27-2015, 06:35 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by ArmachiA - 05-27-2015, 11:18 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Hyrist - 05-28-2015, 01:03 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Verad - 05-28-2015, 01:23 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by McBeefâ„¢ - 05-27-2015, 11:25 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Cato - 05-28-2015, 01:14 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Kuro - 05-28-2015, 02:08 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Hyrist - 05-28-2015, 02:54 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by McBeefâ„¢ - 05-28-2015, 03:25 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by K'hatos - 05-28-2015, 04:21 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Enteris - 05-28-2015, 08:06 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by ArmachiA - 05-28-2015, 09:20 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Emberhair - 05-28-2015, 09:29 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Telluride - 05-28-2015, 09:51 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Fox - 05-28-2015, 07:47 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Kage - 05-28-2015, 09:39 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Cato - 05-28-2015, 09:43 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Hyrist - 05-28-2015, 10:54 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Emberhair - 05-28-2015, 11:21 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Gegenji - 05-28-2015, 11:52 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Fox - 05-29-2015, 06:59 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Hyrist - 05-28-2015, 11:46 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Telluride - 05-28-2015, 11:51 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Hyrist - 05-28-2015, 12:02 PM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Oats McGoats - 05-31-2015, 11:36 AM
RE: Roleplaying the bad guy - by Viola - 06-03-2015, 09:12 AM

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