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(06-02-2015, 01:06 PM)Telluride Wrote: I don't see how what I am suggesting breeds incompetent players. Â We still have some really bad players who manage to get into WoD all the time, and people who are darn near ilvl130 who still haven't figured out how to best play their class. Â The existing player base is not any smarter than any returning or new people, just more in the zone, to risk a pun.Maybe I'm wording this wrong or my tone just sounds bad. Its probably both.
It had been my hope that the new classes would be attainable at lvl 10, just like what we had, and thus learned the same way the others have. But, they're only available to people, now, who have progressed completely through the story and gotten to Ishgard. Are all these people competent? I see a lot of people getting kicked now.
If you gave new/returning folks a little playground in which to test flying, and the new stuff, a place we could ALL use just to enjoy a taste of the new stuff, what's wrong with that. It would give people incentive to "Git Gud" enough to learn the new/updated fundamentals, and still feel like they weren't being gated from so much.
Throw your casuals a bone, man. If you wanna keep 'em in the shallow end, put a few dragons and griffins and dark knight tutorials in there, and keep them HAPPY to be there, having fun, getting their money's worth, until they are ready to seize the BIG rewards, finish leveling, and fly "For Real" In ishgard, later.
PS: Party Finder sure as heck ain't no cure for bad players, either.
What I'm trying to say is. New players and returning ones will probably be subject to stress more so than they need, because they're doing new content with the vets (If SE drops the gating) and will consistently be ranted on about low ilvls, crappy tanking and all the above. AND they get to suddenly get the new classes off the bat when everyone else had to do all the extra pre HW as well.
Like for now for example. If you so much as think of joining a PF for Shiva Ex without knowing the fight you will be ridiculed and probably kicked. New or returning player or not.
Its this whole small timeframe where everyone goes if you don't know your job from the start. You're hindering me. You can't just pick up a DRK and expect to do any of the funner dungeons because of the mindset already established. Sure a lot of people here would help out new people regardless but that's not the majority.
Its why I think SE made a good choice for barring the HW content. That along with the timeline issues. Why would you start off the MSQ as a AST when in that point of the timeline AST weren't even a thing yet.
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