(06-09-2015, 11:54 AM)Hammersmith Wrote:a full plate harness, as in full body covering from helmet to sabatons(06-09-2015, 11:38 AM)Nako Wrote:(06-09-2015, 11:24 AM)Hammersmith Wrote:A well fitted suit of plate, that is, full plate. Weighed roughly 15-25kg. The mobility factor wasn't an issue, sure its an extra 25lbs, but due to the way it is distributed over the body, the impact was only an issue on elongated fights. You can run, jump, sprint and climb in it.(06-09-2015, 10:37 AM)Nako Wrote:(06-08-2015, 08:35 PM)Hammersmith Wrote: Yeah. Â One of the bigger points of plate was that it was MUCH EASIER to raise an army of rifle-users than it was to get an entire army of plate users. Â Then you ran into mobility and the like and it meant the rifle users had more immediate lethality that was easier to train than a longbow. (The english did so well with theirs because every male, supposedly, was at some point required to train with it every day after church, punishable by...something...if you missed)plate armour, when correctly fitted, didn't present much in the way of a hinderance to mobility. It was pretty much a second skin or extension of the body, with greater range of movement than the person inside.
Guns arn't "worse" than an archer really, since in RP you're not going to be mustering entire platoons of them onto the field.
However, yes, it is a hell of a lot easier, and cheaper to equip an army with musket/arquebus/longbow etc.
Also, our longbowmen, (as featured in Agincourt and other such fights) were predominantly Welsh.
You're right, though only if we're not talking about jousting plate or Full plate . Â Well fitted infantry plate (not full plate) weighed anywhere from 10-25 pounds for a set (Jousting plate was over 50, but was MUCH heavier). Â It also wasn't full body and it sure as hell wasn't a second skin. Â Mind you it stayed in use for a verrrrry long time because, well, steel stops a lot of stuff from killing you.
Hell, they were still using plate curiasses in WWI, 5lb steel breastplates, and they were effective, as long as you didn't get hit in a limb or a head.
If we're talking about regular infantry plate? Yeah. Â Mobility wise you're still going to have guys running around in 10-25 lbs more weight than a similarly fitted guy, at range, carrying 1o-25 lbs less kit than you, which means they can proooobably run, all things being even, quite a bit longer and further than you can. Â It's not perfect, but it's mobility. Â I know we ignore RL mechanics in FF but from a pure RL perspective, that does weight a guy down and affect what maneuvers a group can manage over the course of a battle. Â Fresh troops in a sprint probably wouldn't have cared much or seen much effect though, to that degree. Â Dudes in plate charging a line of arquebusses were going to ruin someone's gun-toting day if they didn't have support, for sure.
tldr; You're wrong about Full and Jousting plate, the plate we 'traditionally' think of as full, massive armor sets. Â You're right about lesser, more mass produced versions of plate maille, which were very much mass produced sets of curiasses, not full body plate armor sets (but would still have been a bitch for bullets to fuck with)
Which bit was I wrong about?
What you're calling full plate I call plate, so it's splitting hairs. Â We're both right since we agree on the same points!
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