(07-04-2015, 07:59 PM)Blue Wrote: Okay, give me a bit to try and address them, then. I am not comparing Eorzea to the third world, I was merely saying that education is considered a privilege even where illiteracy is fairly uncommon, you are privileged if you can read. I think for example that Garlemald is fairly literate, as is Sharlayan. Eorzea is clearly not in a first world environment, it is still in development compared to some other countries (hence, they can't be "first", and there's also internal conflicts going on, which are often counted in when determining the position of a nation, or group of nations, in the world ranking. I'd put it in the second world setting, which is equiparable to Russia of the modern days).
That's the problem. You think. We have no way of knowing. That information isn't in the game. You can't establish a metric of any sort without context, and we are lacking context. We have no idea what the official literacy rate is. We have no idea how necessary it is, given what we see of Eorzean society.
We have no idea how satisfied people are with their governments, or their lot in life, or their way of living. We have no idea how the nobility and common people interact, if at all. We have no idea how well, or how poorly Garlemald is doing. We know nothing about Sharlayan outside of "has scholars". In what? For what? Are they like Ishgard's observatory staff? Are they like the Ossuary? The seedseers? Entirely different in general? What is our measure of education?
(07-04-2015, 07:59 PM)Blue Wrote: Regarding faith, maybe there is not discord among different believers of the Twelve.. this is more treated as Greece's pantheon of the Gods, where one will preach a deity more than the other depending on his trade or status. But we should not forget that we just received a huge batch of RPers that do not preach the Twelve (the Au Ra), and there's also the Garleans. My character, Clive, is an Ala Mhigan, grown in the invaded city. He was beated hard to drop his worshiping of the Twelve, so much that he now sides with the Garleans' point of view on religion (I think they are atheists?).
There's nothing that suggests Garleans are atheists. They simply don't believe that the Primals are gods. We also have no idea what the Au Ra believe. We have no idea how that sits with people that worship the twelve.
We also have no real indication of how Gridania deals with the Elementals Vs. The Twelve.
(07-04-2015, 07:59 PM)Blue Wrote: Also, I do not think all trades in Eorzea accept pretty much anyone. There can be cases of frowned upon communities undertaking certain jobs.
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At the archer's guild you are also dissed initially for not being fit the class. The archery questline in general is all about cultural traditions on bowsmanship between the Keepers of the Moon and the ... whatever clan that Elezen was.
So yes, there are examples of discrimination on trades, as well.
"Frowned upon" doesn't really say much, though. Before a high-horse is mounted, and I'm told that because I disagree with you, I have no idea what discrimination could possibly be like, let me say the following: I'm brown, and jewish. I've applied to jobs that would not call me back until I checked "prefer not to answer" in the race column.
"Frowned upon" means jack shit if they don't turn you away. And they don't. At all. Ever.
Anyway. Even though this NPC is a real dick to the player character, that dickery extends even if the player character is of the same race they are. It's got less to do with the character's race, and more to do with the NPC's opinion of themself.
On the spoilered text: Nobody likes refugees, period. Anywhere. At all. "Not being at war" isn't a privilege, it's the default state of things.
On questions: So how are we handling a simple lack of jobs for these people, then? What happens when we've got enough help? Is blind, dumb luck a privilege? How do we measure that?
What about the acceptance of a myriad of societies regarding their rulers? Are the seedseers privileged? Because game world context suggests that it's a burden.
In a world where death due to disease and injury is a pretty common fact of life, do you really think anyone's going to shout "ableism" if a call is put out to all able bodied people to keep the town from being burnt by whatever apocalypse rolls up the road this week?
Again, where is your information coming from? What context are you placing these questions in? We're lacking in any meaningful information here. Also, I'm still not telling you to drop it. I'm saying that in order to get this down, you'd need to know more about the world than we're actually able to know, given the big, gaping blindspots in the lore, and the amount of guessing you'd have to do to adapt this concept to the setting.