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Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light

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Melkire Melkire Find all posts by this user Gruff Gutterborn Murder Hobo Posts:2,470 Joined:Mar 2014 Character:Osric Melkire Server:Balmung Reputation: 505 Timezone:UTC+4 RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light | #7 07-08-2015, 03:28 PM (07-08-2015, 03:13 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: Show Content 2.x spoilers The question of whether the Echo is the same thing as being Hydaelyn's Chosen is an interesting one. One read of the cutscenes suggests that they are, in fact, the same thing; Minfilia refers specifically to no longer hearing Her voice towards the end of 2.x, and Midgardsormr notes how Her powers are waning and therefore strikes a new bargain (though the nature of the bargain, and whether it applies just to The Adventurer or to all of Hydaelyn's Chosen, isn't clear to me, at least). However, it's interesting that others with the Echo, such as the Sahagin elder who summons Leviathan and Ysayle, never refer to hearing Hydaelyn's voice. The Ascians also sometimes talk about the Echo and how everyone's lack of understanding of it will be their downfall. So, I wonder if this is a case of Hydaelyn granting the Echo, but it's not what those who have it believe it to be? The following constitute spoilers very late in the 3.0 MSQ line. Do not open the following unless you have completed 3.0 MSQ (read: you've seen the credits scroll). Show Content 3.x spoilers New 3.0 dialogue, in conjunction with Midgardsormr's 2.55 JP dialogue, makes the "bargain" pretty clear. Hydaelyn protecting the MC is what prompts Midgardsormr to give the MC the chance to prove themselves. He seals off the MC's connection to Hydaelyn, as opposed to stripping the MC of it entirely; this is clarified late in 3.0 after the MC speaks with Tiamat. Midgardsormr specifically mentions that the walls he'd built around the MC have been torn down by that point. Essentially, Midgardsormr spends most of 2.55 onward, all the way through to the end of 3.0, testing the main character's worthiness. You'll recall that the intent in originally approaching him was, in part, an attempt to pre-emptively avert an assault on Ishgard. So he chooses to seal the MC off from Hydaelyn's power (but not necessarily all of her gifts; the power of the Echo remains to the MC) and observe the individual in order to deem whether or not they are a suitable candidate to lead an effort in bringing about peace between Man and Dragon. As for the Echo: if you'll follow the links Kage and I made to an older thread, Sounsyy references lore that establishes that the Echo is not exclusive to Hydaelyn's Chosen, though it can be surmised that all of Hydaelyn's Chosen likely possess the Echo. (07-08-2015, 03:23 PM)Virella Douront Wrote: Interesting Topic! However I got the bring a few things up for speculation, although I am going to spoiler this just in case; Show Content MQS ending spoilerIs Estinien an Echo gifted individual as well? He speaks with Hreavaglr when the greatwyrm is clearly talking in the tongue of the Dravanians. And with him turning into Nidhogg. HMM. HMMMM. Count me a bit confused currently? It's my guess that... Show Content 3.x spoilers The Eye might gift Estinien with the ability to understand and comprehend dragon speech, as it serves as a very personal and intimate link between whosever possesses the eye and Nidhogg. Alternatively, the Azure Dragoon might have had the lifetime experience necessary to understand dragon speech, or else Hraesvelgr, Hraesvelgr's children, and Nidhogg himself are all very good at making themselves understood. As for Estinien turning into Nidhogg, it's explicitly explained throughout the story: 1. Most if not all of Ishgard and her peoples are descended from the four knights of Thordan I that later formed the Four Noble Houses. Estinien himself is likely among their number. 2. Since the four knights partook of (read: feasted on, ate, etc.) Ratatoskr's eyes, they and their entire lineage are susceptible to draconic influence. This manifests itself in the following way: partaking of dragon blood will result in transformations into draconic forms as demonstrated numerous times by the "heretics". 3. Whosoever bears an Eye of Nidhogg is in danger and susceptible to draconic influence and possession. The bearer needs to steel themselves constantly against Nidhogg's influence and seething hatred. Nidhogg himself mentions that, while holding both Eyes, Estinien lowered his guard by allowing himself the luxury of dreaming after a time in which he might yield up his burden and take comfort in a normal life. This "lowering of Estinien's guard," a.k.a. not acting like a complete jerkward all the time, coupled with Estinien's weakness during the lv 50 DRG class quest is what allows Nidhogg the opportunity to claim Estinien for himself. Midgardsormr further explains that Nidhogg has claimed Estinien's body "as his vessel," presumably in a similar manner to how the Sahagin chieftain stole the bodies of his fellow Sahagin. Whether or not Estinien himself survives this process isn't explicitly stated or explained.

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Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Melkire - 07-08-2015, 02:16 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Sigil.9054 - 07-08-2015, 02:37 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Kage - 07-08-2015, 02:43 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by FreelanceWizard - 07-08-2015, 03:13 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Melkire - 07-08-2015, 03:28 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Virella - 07-08-2015, 03:23 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Gegenji - 07-08-2015, 03:27 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Virella - 07-08-2015, 03:28 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by FreelanceWizard - 07-08-2015, 03:38 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Virella - 07-08-2015, 03:45 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Kage - 07-08-2015, 03:53 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Yssen - 07-10-2015, 07:34 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Tiergan - 08-13-2015, 11:24 AM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Aysun - 07-08-2015, 03:34 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Flashhelix - 07-08-2015, 03:35 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by -no longer matters- - 07-08-2015, 03:40 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Melkire - 07-08-2015, 03:43 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by FreelanceWizard - 07-08-2015, 03:44 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by FreelanceWizard - 07-08-2015, 03:48 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Virella - 07-08-2015, 03:52 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by -no longer matters- - 07-08-2015, 04:07 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by FreelanceWizard - 07-08-2015, 04:12 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by McBeefâ„¢ - 07-10-2015, 05:08 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Lilia Lia - 07-08-2015, 04:34 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by C'io Behkt - 07-10-2015, 04:53 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Caspar - 07-08-2015, 04:39 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Kaniko Niko - 07-10-2015, 06:28 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Melkire - 07-10-2015, 06:34 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by McBeefâ„¢ - 07-10-2015, 06:50 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Kaniko Niko - 07-10-2015, 06:51 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Paradox - 07-11-2015, 04:38 AM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by -no longer matters- - 07-21-2015, 10:38 AM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Hammersmith - 07-21-2015, 11:08 AM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by -no longer matters- - 07-21-2015, 11:53 AM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Sounsyy - 07-21-2015, 11:30 AM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by -no longer matters- - 07-21-2015, 11:54 AM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Sounsyy - 07-22-2015, 08:03 AM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Sylentmana - 07-22-2015, 10:55 AM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by D'aito Kuji - 07-22-2015, 02:06 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Gegenji - 07-22-2015, 02:24 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Paradox - 07-24-2015, 05:52 AM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Kellach Woods - 07-24-2015, 06:08 AM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Paradox - 07-30-2015, 11:30 AM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by Kage - 08-12-2015, 09:33 AM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by A'kos Saiyal - 08-12-2015, 06:51 PM RE: Warrior of Light, Hydaelyn's Chosen, and Bringer of Light - by FreelanceWizard - 08-13-2015, 01:27 PM

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