(10-02-2015, 10:22 AM)Warren Castille Wrote:(10-02-2015, 09:57 AM)Kaiz Wrote: I'm not sure why Grindstone insists on healing, personally. If someone wants to trudge through the event bruised and bloodied, what difference does it make?
Basically what Franz said. It was a rule since before I took over, but I like it if only because it also cuts down on the "you beat me but you didn't REALLY beat me" bullshit that gets thrown around regardless. Too many people want to safe face by not losing even when they lose, and healing between rounds just removes one more convenient excuse to get your ass kicked.
It can really diminish the winner's fun by being told "Yeah, well this doesn't count anyway because X Y Z!"
(10-02-2015, 10:10 AM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote:(10-02-2015, 09:57 AM)Kaiz Wrote: I'm not sure why Grindstone insists on healing, personally. If someone wants to trudge through the event bruised and bloodied, what difference does it make?
In general, instantaneous healing pretty much removes any real danger from most situations, and that's a bit inconsistent with how the setting is presented, where NPCs do indeed fear for their safety. So magic "poof, you're all better!" healing is probably very rare. In the Conjurer questlines, healing comes up many times, but it's never as simple as wiggling your fingers and suddenly someone's okay. It's usually trying, risky, and not always guaranteed to succeed.
Because character death is a thing. And if someone goes to the Grindstone hoping to have their character killed off from sustained injuries from one or more rounds, the other people may not be cool with that. It's a matter of consent.Â
Due to the Grindstone accepting basically all physical combat players regardless of where they fall onto the "realistic" <-> "fantasy" RP meter, it would become an issue if borderline-WoL who has Inner Beast Darkside powering his massive sword-axe went on a mass killing spree at the Grindstone. Â In the same way, a player might just that "all it takes for my character to die is to get stabbed once." Maybe a little price from the end of Joe Nobody's dull sword was enough to do that. Of course, such was never communicated. And the general rule at Grindstone is "no killing." For an event that's becoming so large all the people can't render on the map in a single view, there's simply too much going on for serious injuries, "losing control", or death.Â
But at the same time, Grindstone is supposed to be about besting your opponent. I don't generally have Franz swinging for vitals or trying to impaled people. Stopping before and attack or tapping shows he -could- have finished the attack, but injuries are messy. We had a 2-3 hour long "I need all the healers focused on me" person once. And it made coordination incredibly difficult when there were other people who needed RP healing too.
I'm not even sure how one is even dependent on the other.Â
For starters, I'm talking about how players choose to receive their injuries, not how another player inflicts them. Whether I choose to have Kaiz really beat up or not has nothing to do with my opponent. The way Grindstone is structured, if my opponent stabs at me and lands a sucessful hit, it's my call if they just glanced off my armor and winded me (and that'll make me less effective), or stabbed me right through my chest (but I'll be fine).Â
Additionally, I don't see how the healing obligation controls any of what you're saying anyways. Players can still say "you beat me but not really" and decide the nature of their defeat. Whether healing is enforced or not has no bearing on any of that. Ultimately it doesn't matter anyways, since the winning and losing is dictated by dice, not roleplay, so even if someone claims that none of their injuries really hurt them, if they lost, they lost. The loser can say whatever they want to make themselves feel better, but they still lost.
I can understand why Grindstone has 'super-healing' between battles to make the event manageable, but I don't see why it's forced upon the player. If someone really cared that much about 'saving face', they don't lack for ways to do it even with enforced healing.Â
I guess overall I don't see how it prevents any of the aforementioned problems, but I do see it interfering with how a player fluffs out their participation in the event. If they want to move through each round with a 'souvenir' of their last fight, and use their injuries as part of the roleplay, they can't.
edit: PS - This is actually a minor quibble. Grindstone and runestone are a fantastic events overall. I've just never really understood why the healing was rigidly-enforced as opposed to simply being an option.
