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A few things here.
In your opinion. Some are still discussing it. Also, unrelated, I find the words 'special snowflake' generally tend to come form people who like to crush the ideas and creativity of anyone who wants to be different and not 'fit in' under the assumption they're doing it just to draw attention to themselves. And such statements are generally given, I've observed by a person or persons who don't try to see why people make the different types of characters they do. I recommend asking a person their reasons before deciding why they made it.
Telling someone why they made something because you said so is IRL godmodding, you know. You prefer to think within your own specific box, and that's fine for you. But don't talk down about others as 'special snowflakes' just because you don't like what they do. This kind of character and idea shaming has become more and more prevalent in roleplay communities of late I have found. The narrow mindedness saddens me on a lot of levels considering the community I originally came from was more interested in learning a character's story and the whys of it than judging the character or their player for their ideas, even if a bit of lore bending was done.
To be fair, there's no evidence that it isn't connected to or leads to the void either. Since there's been no specific topics on this by the Lore devs, we'll simply have to assume for the sake of creativity and potential situations. No lore is a hundred percent concrete, and there will always be loopholes, holes, inconsistencies, and openings in a lore that leave leeway for many possibilities. Just saying 'it can't happen because we haven't seen it' quashes potential creativity. Speaking of creativity.
In your personal opinion. Just because that's what you think, doesn't make it a fact. And while one is entitled to their opinion, a sweeping generalization like that demeans those that find a way to do it and put effort into it. You don't like the idea. That's fine. But saying it's 'void of creativity' is a very broad brush when you may not know the reasoning behind it and just decide that's the way it is without even being told the reason. It's excessively rude to tell a writer, even one just starting out that their idea is 'void of creativity' just because you think it is. If you have the time to say something mean, you might try being more constructive in your approach to the matter. You very likely have no idea if someone has interest in being part of the community or not based on character idea alone. You have your own perception, and that is all.
Except the fatal flaw in this argument is that generally, the game only tells the story of major players in the first place, so of course there's little to support it that we see because most games specifically focus on the main characters and their immediate supports. There's all kinds of NPCs in every universe. Let's look at Gilgamesh. While we can argue he's mostly comic relief, he hardly got into the void by being a 'major player'. He sort of just fell into it, and has appeared in various places.
Interesting isn't it? He was never a main villain. He was a sidekick at best. He was never a great hero. He was this derpy guy meant to make people laugh, and yet here he is, going from world to world. No will of the goddess. No will of the crystals. Just Exdeath being a dick and chucking him in the void. And..wow, something like that could happen to anyone if they were in the right place at the wrong time. It's not for anyone to say 'you can't do that' unless you can absolutely prove beyond a shadow of all doubt it can't be done. And one absolutely can't, because no lore is 100% foolproof. And some of it is even left open for the players to grasp onto and make of it their own. Lore is meant to be a vehicle with which to launch creativity, not chains with which to stifle it, and sometimes the vehicle is driven a bit off-road.
Again, a very broad, sweeping generalization based on your own opinion. I know the lore of the world, and yet I could think of many reasons to play such a character. And you wouldn't know any of those reasons, because you can't read intent or minds. It's interesting that you mentioned such a character is 'void of creativity', and yet the very nature of what you're saying voids any creativity anyone might have in doing such a thing. There's little in your argument other than a thinly veiled judgmental viewpoint obscured by a few random facts spattered here and there because you don't like the idea.
If you don't want to roleplay with someone who chooses this method, then that's fine. But telling someone basically that wanting to play a character who's ended up from another world is just them wanting to be 'special' or 'void of creativity' is frankly insulting. Maybe they like the idea. Maybe they want to put forth the effort of this difference. Because doing it well does take effort, and can be done. If you don't want to be included, that's your right. But it's no reason to insult the people that do.
I might have made an error in what I said previously, though. Perhaps you are right that there's no point in continuing the discussion further. Because if discussion at this point comes to where we're judging with the snowflake comments and telling someone their idea is void of creativity just because it doesn't mesh with what one thinks is right, I think one can no longer call it a discussion at all. Really all I have to say on the matter, and I think it's time for me to withdraw. Happy roleplaying all.
Quote:There is little reason to continue this circular discussion on why some should be more special-er snowflakes than others.
In your opinion. Some are still discussing it. Also, unrelated, I find the words 'special snowflake' generally tend to come form people who like to crush the ideas and creativity of anyone who wants to be different and not 'fit in' under the assumption they're doing it just to draw attention to themselves. And such statements are generally given, I've observed by a person or persons who don't try to see why people make the different types of characters they do. I recommend asking a person their reasons before deciding why they made it.
Telling someone why they made something because you said so is IRL godmodding, you know. You prefer to think within your own specific box, and that's fine for you. But don't talk down about others as 'special snowflakes' just because you don't like what they do. This kind of character and idea shaming has become more and more prevalent in roleplay communities of late I have found. The narrow mindedness saddens me on a lot of levels considering the community I originally came from was more interested in learning a character's story and the whys of it than judging the character or their player for their ideas, even if a bit of lore bending was done.
Quote:Further more, there is no evidence, nor is it ever said that other than being a "Voidsent" that the Threshold which the Atomos and it's Cavernous Maws are connected to, is the Void, or leads to the Void.
To be fair, there's no evidence that it isn't connected to or leads to the void either. Since there's been no specific topics on this by the Lore devs, we'll simply have to assume for the sake of creativity and potential situations. No lore is a hundred percent concrete, and there will always be loopholes, holes, inconsistencies, and openings in a lore that leave leeway for many possibilities. Just saying 'it can't happen because we haven't seen it' quashes potential creativity. Speaking of creativity.
Quote:as I said, that kind of character creation is basically void of creativity, or an interest in truly being part of this community (flawed or not)
In your personal opinion. Just because that's what you think, doesn't make it a fact. And while one is entitled to their opinion, a sweeping generalization like that demeans those that find a way to do it and put effort into it. You don't like the idea. That's fine. But saying it's 'void of creativity' is a very broad brush when you may not know the reasoning behind it and just decide that's the way it is without even being told the reason. It's excessively rude to tell a writer, even one just starting out that their idea is 'void of creativity' just because you think it is. If you have the time to say something mean, you might try being more constructive in your approach to the matter. You very likely have no idea if someone has interest in being part of the community or not based on character idea alone. You have your own perception, and that is all.
Quote:There is little else to support some random character of lesser importance falling through a portal into another FF world.
Except the fatal flaw in this argument is that generally, the game only tells the story of major players in the first place, so of course there's little to support it that we see because most games specifically focus on the main characters and their immediate supports. There's all kinds of NPCs in every universe. Let's look at Gilgamesh. While we can argue he's mostly comic relief, he hardly got into the void by being a 'major player'. He sort of just fell into it, and has appeared in various places.
Interesting isn't it? He was never a main villain. He was a sidekick at best. He was never a great hero. He was this derpy guy meant to make people laugh, and yet here he is, going from world to world. No will of the goddess. No will of the crystals. Just Exdeath being a dick and chucking him in the void. And..wow, something like that could happen to anyone if they were in the right place at the wrong time. It's not for anyone to say 'you can't do that' unless you can absolutely prove beyond a shadow of all doubt it can't be done. And one absolutely can't, because no lore is 100% foolproof. And some of it is even left open for the players to grasp onto and make of it their own. Lore is meant to be a vehicle with which to launch creativity, not chains with which to stifle it, and sometimes the vehicle is driven a bit off-road.
Quote:Besides mostly the desire of either a person unwilling to learn the lore of the world that the community loves, or a selfish interest in only continuing their character from before, without taking into account others.Â
Again, a very broad, sweeping generalization based on your own opinion. I know the lore of the world, and yet I could think of many reasons to play such a character. And you wouldn't know any of those reasons, because you can't read intent or minds. It's interesting that you mentioned such a character is 'void of creativity', and yet the very nature of what you're saying voids any creativity anyone might have in doing such a thing. There's little in your argument other than a thinly veiled judgmental viewpoint obscured by a few random facts spattered here and there because you don't like the idea.
If you don't want to roleplay with someone who chooses this method, then that's fine. But telling someone basically that wanting to play a character who's ended up from another world is just them wanting to be 'special' or 'void of creativity' is frankly insulting. Maybe they like the idea. Maybe they want to put forth the effort of this difference. Because doing it well does take effort, and can be done. If you don't want to be included, that's your right. But it's no reason to insult the people that do.
I might have made an error in what I said previously, though. Perhaps you are right that there's no point in continuing the discussion further. Because if discussion at this point comes to where we're judging with the snowflake comments and telling someone their idea is void of creativity just because it doesn't mesh with what one thinks is right, I think one can no longer call it a discussion at all. Really all I have to say on the matter, and I think it's time for me to withdraw. Happy roleplaying all.
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