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(11-16-2015, 11:05 PM)Momo Wrote: This thread was made to be specifically about her character, and then derailed into something wholly other. Â Another similar thread already exists and isn't more than a couple months old at this point:
http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthread....=dimension
There is little reason to continue this circular discussion on why some should be more special-er snowflakes than others. Â The original poster, specifically stated that she had a hard time covering the lore of this world, and a dedication to her character on XI. Â Conversely to my own statements, Â
Some points:
Atomos in XI are dead. Â At the end of the 4th expansion, it states that the Atomos of both timelines, sent to watch over the happenings of each world by Cait Sith (empowered by Altana herself), and judge them accordingly, is now dead and frozen. Â So post that time, it was impossible to travel through the Void using an Atomos, as when the Atomos deemed the two simultaneous timelines as unworthy of keeping, it tried to swallow them both, thus effectively overwhelming itself, causing self-destruction. Â Basically you did not come over through a Cavernous Maw, unless you went through one pre-Wings of the Goddess. Â Further more, there is no evidence, nor is it ever said that other than being a "Voidsent" that the Threshold which the Atomos and it's Cavernous Maws are connected to, is the Void, or leads to the Void.
Another point which some have brought forth as a means of travel between worlds, are the Swirling Vortexes located in Valkrum Dunes and Qufim Island. Â These do not transport you through the void into other dimensions. Â They have set destinations, as do the other swirling vortexes, namely: Lufaise Meadows, Misareaux Coast, and Apollyon. Â These are parts of the Emptiness...the Epmtiness is not the Void, it is the manifested will of Promathia, slowly destroying existence. Â Hence, you did not take a swirling vortex to Eorzea.
And so on and so forth, on and on, until you have nothing left to propel you into this world except for the sheer magnitude of brilliance, strength, and will which are contained within Shantotto herself, thus propelling you to major characters status, and therefor justifying your transport into the world of XIV from another FF...good luck with that as I said, that kind of character creation is basically void of creativity, or an interest in truly being part of this community (flawed or not). Â This all leads back to what I was saying, just don't bother. Â There is no evidence of "Ooops, I have fallen into a wormhole and ended up in this strange land called Eorzea, herpderp!", there is so far only evidence of, "Oh look, I am a major player where I come from, the will of the Void, the will of the Crystals, the will of whatever god/goddess or otherwise, has chosen me to travel through a portal to interact, and have an affect on the world of Eorzea." or "I am Shantotto, I have in my great power ad brilliance, made a gateway here to affect the world of Eorzea, causing the rise of a nation and consequently a Calamity. Â As well as creating one of the most powerful weapons in existence, and teaching ever greater forces to the mages of this world."
So if you are willing to allow your characters to fall into these categories, go ahead. Â There is little else to support some random character of lesser importance falling through a portal into another FF world. Â Besides mostly the desire of either a person unwilling to learn the lore of the world that the community loves, or a selfish interest in only continuing their character from before, without taking into account others.
Alright I'm going to have to put my foot down on this nonsense. This is my thread, and I'm going to report it so that this crap ends right here and now. You seem to forget that not only were there Wings of the Goddess Cavernous Maws, but there were ACTIVE MAWS in the form of the Abyssea add-on scenarios. These maws were very much alive, and as you can plainly see in Crystal Tower, there are Atomos' there.Â
I'm not trying to defend my statement, even I saw the writing on the wall a long time ago that it'd be a bad idea, but don't knock something out of the way before exploring every possible avenue. I've already learned a great deal of the lore in FFXIV, from the reign  of Emperor Xande, to making speculations on these warriors of darkness, to even the fact of the spell Flow, I take my time and read as much as I can. When someone says I am uncreative, I take that as a slap to the face, and I do not appreciate that at all.Â
The reason I asked about my character coming over from FFXI in the first place, was not out of laziness of wanting to learn the lore, or to be a special snowflake, but because I loved my character from FFXI, she was a member of the immortals, and had a huge story culminating over 5 years of RP on FFXI. I would take that mantle up in a heartbeat if there was a way to, even if she lost all of her abilities as a blue mage (Which would have to be the case since BLU won't be coming to FFXIV as far as I am aware.)
I'm going to be reporting this thread so that the moderators can dispose of it as they wish, and if anyone here has any problems with my thoughts I have put down, take it to PM and keep it out of here. This thread was answered on page 1, there is no point to continue it now.
EDIT: Also I continued reading through your post Momo, and think for a moment. If I am being selfish for wanting to play a character that I want to play, are you any different because you're playing a character you want to play yet you say I can't? Think about it, because life is a two way street buddy, you can ignore it and move on.
It's not that hard to think of minor characters doing awesome things (Looking at you Stark Jegan Pilot from Gundam Unicorn, you sir were a badass and nearly beat Marida Cruz in that one episode.) and it's even more common that an innocent bystsander would get caught up in some form of accident. In fact, it happens every day in reality, by that I mean having random accidents.
Unless you can prove to me without a shadow of a doubt that it would be IMPOSSIBLE 100% to dimension hop via getting sucked into a Cavernous Maw (Which I am not supporting myself because in RP it'd be a bad idea and no one would really want anything to do with me or think I was ICly crazy.)