(02-11-2016, 07:17 PM)Sounsyy Wrote:(02-11-2016, 05:13 PM)Caspar Wrote: He specifies it as training, but I do not see that as essentially saying it is exclusively a concept within FoR
Nor did I? I think I said as much just after the quote?
(02-11-2016, 05:14 PM)Melkire Wrote: Erik specifically refers to Widargelt as a "monk of Ala Mhigo". Widargelt refers to himself as a "brother of the monkhood" and states that his "order is the Fist of Rhalgr". He later speaks "of the monkhood and the Fist." There's a clear distinction there.
I'd never noticed this before so I went digging and found a few instances where this occurs. But, in each of those occurrences, the speaker goes on to use the monkhood and the Fists as interchangeable. Which has me wondering... what is the distinction? The only thing I could really think of was that there was the monkhood, or multiple sects part of the monkhood, but only those who had finished their training and were given the Soulstone were considered Fists of Rhalgr. Thoughts?
Widargelt Wrote:I am not angered. He tried to sway me from my path. He believes resistance will only leave more dead. I expected as much from him. I feigned understanding. He asked much of me. Of the monkhood and the Fist. He asked of the seventh chakra.
See, there's that separation again... but now look at this text later from the same quest:
Widargelt Wrote:Yours is a great strength. Unite it to ours, sister. Help us reclaim our home. Your efforts will be rewarded. Look upon my garments. This is the war garb of the monkhood. It attunes to its wearer. It empowers the chakra. Enables it to realize its full potential. The cloth is imbued with the power of Rhalgr. Only monks of his Fist may don it. Only those who overcome many trials. You need not enter the Fist. I require you to speak no vows. I ask only that you fight. Give yourself to our cause.
The above makes it sound like the monkhood and the Fists of Rhalgr are one in the same. Another example:
Erik Wrote:The monks and the Fist of Rhalgr are interesting in the same way as any other organized relgion - a sad, pathetic, and humorous way. The brothers and sisters of the monkhood are those souls training in the service of Rhalgr, god of destruction among the Twelve. The Fist of Rhalgr is their order.
Here it is again, and then at the end of that same quote, it says "their" as in the monkhood's order is the Fist of Rhalgr. So they're separate but the same? Which leads me to believe in the higher echelons theory.
Widargelt Wrote:This is a soul crystal. It is the mark of my order. Only those in the monkhood may carry it. It is given to novices upon completion of their training. But I have witnessed your transformation. You are ready. Take it. Many bore that crystal before you. It remembers them. Their breath and their movement. They will one day be yours. But your chakra must open further. Only then can the crystal's memories enter you.
Idk...
I see what you are saying about the interchanging nature of the terms, Soussy. Might be a bit of a text tease for the Shadow sect? Although I cannot think of why Widargelt would make the distinct separation with no prior knowledge of them. It is possible he is referring to the Monkhood to include trainees, but he doesn't call his new trainees Monks in the post 60 stuff, does he? It does seem to point to the fact that the monkhood is more than just the fists. We'll probably have to wait until the lvl cap is 70 to find out exactly what that means.
Slight edit - I just noticed that the third quote puts a distinction between novices and the monkhood in the area of soul stones. So... yeah, not inclusive of trainees so much.
