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(08-13-2016, 06:47 PM)Sena Varont Wrote: Would you be frustrated with a Paladin who just sat there spamming Flash and occasionally quaffing an Ether or using their MP restore combo (but only the 1-2 combo of it, for the most rapid cycling)? Of course you would. Is that tank technically fulfilling the role of a tank, though, if no enemies escape their threat? You betcha - yet you'd be likely to be rather unhappy with them.
Nope.
It wouldn't bother me at all. In fact, I would prefer that to Tanks who are trying so hard to DPS that they neglect their tanking skills, the skills that keep the mobs off me.
The only thing I expect of Tanks in my dungeon groups is that they keep threat on themselves and off the DPS and the Healer (unless, of course, DPS or Healer pull for the Tank, in which case I decide that the DPS or Healer are terrible, considering what complete ass it is to try to get threat back in that situation) and that they properly use their CDs so they don't drop dead.
That's it. That's literally all I expect of a Tank in a dungeon group. I don't expect them to kill the mobs for anyone else, and I don't expect them to offheal, or any other idiotic thing armchair warriors can come up with to saddle an already shit role with.
And when I am a DPS or a Tank in a group, the only thing that I expect of the Healer is that they keep the Tank up, and any DPS taking unavoidable damage (I do not expect them to keep DPS up who are deliberately pulling threat or making small tent cities in giant pools of fire).
That's it. That's literally all I expect of a Healer when I'm a DPS or a Tank. As a DPS, I don't expect DPS from a Healer because that's not their job - that's my job. And as a Tank, I don't expect the Healer to DPS because, again, that's the job of the DPS. If they want to contribute damage, fine - but only if they are comfortable with it and have the desire to do so.
These are PUGs we're talking about, not organized groups. I do not expect raid-level play from random pugs, and no one else should, either.
When I pug in FFXIV (which I have not in a very long time), I choose whether or not I'm going to DPS while healing based on the Tank's actions. If the Tank is pulling huge amounts of mobs, I'm not going to be able to DPS - not even get a Holy or two off - because their healthbars usually look like ping-pong balls, and ultimately my primary job in a dungeon is to keep the tank up. If the tank is undergeared and is taking massive damage from mobs that would otherwise be no big deal, I'm not going to DPS - because, again, my primary job is to keep the tank up.
I don't care if this makes me bad. If you can't clear a dungeon on the damage output of your DPS, your DPS suck and you should get new ones. I know from bitter experience that I cannot carry a group with damage as a Healer, and yes, I have tried on more than one occasion when it has become clear that one or more DPS are incapable of doing their jobs. So, no, it's not on my shoulders as a Healer. And it's not on the Tank's shoulders as a Tank. Damage is on the shoulders of the DPS, plain and simple.
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