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(08-15-2016, 04:56 PM)Faye Wrote: (Take it with a grain of salt that this post is mostly pertaining to WHM, since I main a WHM and I'm not as familiar with the other healing classes.)
Well, technically, a SCH would have less issues with stance dancing since their DPS is mostly about applying dots, and they even have Bane to spread them on AoEs. So they don't have to constantly be on cleric to deal damage in theory, unless they want to spamm Ruin too. An interesting thing with WhM though is that you can also play a bit on your dots, even if they don't compare. You still have aero II and III that can be placed without much issues before switching back to healing mode, when you are not comfortable to go to the point of using Stone/Holy/what you have.
(08-15-2016, 04:56 PM)Faye Wrote: Healer DPS is pretty minimal in most cases. Most of the time, it's not going to save your party from a wipe and it's not going to shave a huge amount of time off your completion time. In a party with good DPS, they'll blast through trash mobs in seconds before you can hardly switch to cleric stance and pop off a single Holy. In a party with bad DPS, it's great if the healer can help, but it's so bizarre to me that people scream at the healer to work extra and pick up the DPS's slack rather than chastise the DPS for not doing their own primary role well and that this is a widely accepted attitude. Most people choose to play healers because they don't want to DPS. We want to heal, so a good chunk of us really don't find "just healing" to be terribly boring. It's all just pressing keys either way, though DPSing is admittedly more mind-numbing than healing.
No that I disagree with your point per se (I don't have a preference between a party wipe or a constant lower DPS honestly, to me it's the same in terms of time lost). But as a WhM I most of the time account for around 20% of the team DPS. Maybe 15% if the DPS are good, 25 or even 30 if they are mediocre. And I'm not even playing a SCH, who deal insane amounts of DPS (well, technically, I would argue that WhM has a higher potency on packs of mobs if the tank is good, but SCH totally outclass us on every trial or single targets encounters due to their dots).
So, healers can DPS a lot. I'm always above tanks DPS, except on trials or if the tank suddenly uses their offensive stance.
But yeah, if there is a lack of DPS, maybe it's best to first chastize the DPS. Problem is, it's hard to measure. You can't point out what they are doing wrong msot of the time, unless you use a parser. For healers, it's super easy: are they using offensive spells? In cleric stance? Easy to check, unfortunately.
(08-15-2016, 04:56 PM)Faye Wrote: I think every job needs to focus on their primarily role. Tanks helping with casting stoneskin and protect or popping self-heals or even DPSing extra is great, but I don't want the tank of my party doing that if it leads them to lose aggro on something. DPS helping with raises or heals is awesome, too, but I don't want them doing it in the middle of a tight DPS check or when healers have things covered and the boss is taking forever to die. Healers DPSing or swapping into cleric stance to help speed up a dungeon or beat a DPS check is helpful but it will only make the dungeon even longer or fail the DPS check if they end up letting DPS die or even causing a full party wipe. In the rare event I tank or DPS in the dungeon, there's nothing more frustrating than watching the party's HP drop as the healer is laser-focused on DPSing or forgetting to swap out of Cleric Stance to heal us and we end up dying/wiping or wasting all our self-heals and "ohshit" cooldowns when we shouldn't need to pop them.
Not that I disagree for the tank helping do that, and I also agree that if people already do properly what their core job is, I'm fine. The thing I would like to see more though, is SMN actually doing the raising. Because that's actually way better. They have no MP issues whatsoever. It's also good when the healers all have their swiftcast already down. I don't blame them if they don't, but still.
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