Anything above Garuda is too powerful to manifest as egi for common mortals. It's clearly said in lore and quests that Ramuh and Leviathan (who are still basic beast tribe primals), are already too powerful for even the WoL and current Sharlayan knowledge to summon their egi forms.
As I said above, lore doesn't say it's not possible to summone those egi (or even the egi of eikons way more powerful like the Warring Triad, probably Bahamut or Alex too). Lore just say it's too powerful even for the WoL.
Honestly, make of it what you will.
You can perfectly have been present at the rares places in time when he wasn't sealed away. Like when he gets summoned for the first time, for example. Or if you are a time traveler (or a millenia old dude), be present when he gets back long ago in time and releases Mide and her beloved.
Yeah Primals can't be summoned in duplicates, even if they have unique personalities tied to the summoning.
Trancing however, doesn't necessitate for a primal to be dead or not active, as far as I know.
As I said above, lore doesn't say it's not possible to summone those egi (or even the egi of eikons way more powerful like the Warring Triad, probably Bahamut or Alex too). Lore just say it's too powerful even for the WoL.
Honestly, make of it what you will.
(09-29-2016, 05:40 PM)Killerwing Wrote: I am one of those people that made a lot of use of Trance out in RPs as a Summoner, with pretty much all the ARR primals(except Odin), and I've been one of those that did a lot of Trance at Runestone. I have sometimes thought about how many of the other primals coul;d maybe be drawn as Trances.
But to me, Alexander is simply beyond us. We can't use him as Trance, much less as an Egi and for a very simple reason.
Alexander SEALED itself in time.
Meaning: Alexander isolated itself in such a fashion that you can no longer reach him in any possible manner.
Yes, we can still see Alexander out in the Dravanian Hinterlands, but if you look at the bubble, everything(water included) is frozen in time. Nothing goes in or out anymore.
Therefore to me, Alexander is a primal that can no longer be summoned. Simply because he's already summoned(meaning you can't summon a copy) and Summoners can't draw on his Egi or Trance with him because there's no Alexander aether to attune to.
You can perfectly have been present at the rares places in time when he wasn't sealed away. Like when he gets summoned for the first time, for example. Or if you are a time traveler (or a millenia old dude), be present when he gets back long ago in time and releases Mide and her beloved.
(09-29-2016, 07:17 PM)Gegenji Wrote:(09-29-2016, 05:40 PM)Killerwing Wrote: I am one of those people that made a lot of use of Trance out in RPs as a Summoner, with pretty much all the ARR primals(except Odin), and I've been one of those that did a lot of Trance at Runestone. I have sometimes thought about how many of the other primals coul;d maybe be drawn as Trances.
But to me, Alexander is simply beyond us. We can't use him as Trance, much less as an Egi and for a very simple reason.
Alexander SEALED itself in time.
Meaning: Alexander isolated itself in such a fashion that you can no longer reach him in any possible manner.
Yes, we can still see Alexander out in the Dravanian Hinterlands, but if you look at the bubble, everything(water included) is frozen in time. Nothing goes in or out anymore.
Therefore to me, Alexander is a primal that can no longer be summoned. Simply because he's already summoned(meaning you can't summon a copy) and Summoners can't draw on his Egi or Trance with him because there's no Alexander aether to attune to.
That's an interesting way to look at it. Is it mentioned anywhere that multiples of the same Primal can't be summoned at the same time? Or is it merely a situation of no one actually trying it yet? I mean, thinking back on it, it kind of makes sense since there's been no multiple instances of any of the other Primals - they're always re-summoned after they're gone.
Still, that's an explanation for why no one after he sealed himself away in time. Anyone who encountered him prior to that point would have been able to attune to his aether. Hence why my ideas involving having fought alongside the WoL or being present at the "two" outward manifestations of its power (travel from present to past and back). If one has managed that in a manner contextually similar to what happened with Bahamut's aether, I would figure one would be able to Trance him.
Yeah Primals can't be summoned in duplicates, even if they have unique personalities tied to the summoning.
Trancing however, doesn't necessitate for a primal to be dead or not active, as far as I know.
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