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I... honestly feel like I already answered those questions you asked, Caspar, but I will try to go point by point through your post in an attempt to clarify. This is not meant as offense or disrespect, just clarification for points I think you may have missed or misread.
The player in question decides to bend/break the lore in some fashion. Other players that are not comfortable with bending/breaking will likely avoid interacting with said player. Their membership to this site or lack thereof doesn't come into play, there.
Those that bend/break the lore run the "risk" of running off players that enjoying staying within the lore's boundaries. And yes, the roles can be switched as has been evident in this thread and other threads on this site.Â
"I see it more as a heads up, particularly to those that feel entitled. Namely, those that think that they deserve to receive RP no matter what their character concept might be. I daresay there are a handful of said people in this very thread."
It serves as a warning to those that may otherwise feel entitled, as I stated.
Forgive me, but I don't get your point here. People speaking in private about others not in their circle? This is... new... bad...?Â
Again, as mentioned above, those that would otherwise feel entitled.
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I can't speak to this as I don't necessarily have evidence one way or another.
I do, however, get the feeling that this was meant as a jab at myself which, honestly, I don't recall crying foul. I simply explained and clarified... and even stated that I don't expect people to agree with me.
I honestly don't feel like adhering to the lore "shrinks" the world in any way, but if that is the way you wish to see it, so be it.Â
As to who it serves? Those who enjoy roleplaying within the boundaries of the lore. Those that like keeping themselves within the guidelines and rules of another person's narrative.
It is sudden and unreasonable, but it's not our world... it's SE's.Â
As to its worth? Are you wanting a monetary value?Â
I would argue that those that like to stick within the lore find it quite worthwhile to stick to the lore.Â
Depending upon the player's stance on the lore, then yes... it is fair to fault them. If they wish to stick to the lore and the lore has been presented as thus.... then... yeah, it's their own fault for turning their nose up at the lore that they're trying to follow.
If they don't care about the lore, then how are you going to fault them for not following it? If they don't care... then they don't care. They can have their fun among their circle of friends that don't care.
Again... this leads to that whole policing/witch hunt thing that seems to be on everyone's mind. No one is going to get on and hunt people down for not following the lore. But if you claim to follow the lore, are given evidence from the people that write the lore, then turn around and say ,"nah, ignoring that." ... I don't know what else you should expect other than being told, "Hey... you're doing it wrong."
Quote:The RPC is not Balmung, or any other server with RPers.I don't feel I made a claim saying that it was.. I am well aware that those that frequent the RPC either as simply a lurker or even a poster are but a small fraction of the total Balmung (and other servers) player population.
Quote:It may come as a shock to know that players rejected by this community still find a lot of RP.ÂIt honestly doesn't. I am well aware of players that don't even know of this site's existence that still find a lot of RP.Â
Quote:The idea that "if you play x, you'll be shunned" is certainly true. Except in the case of many members here. Except when dealing with non RPC players. Except when you're RPing a Dragoon and the retcon flattens them unexpectedly.I'm personally not sure how those are considered exceptions when they still would have the same circumstances in each case.
The player in question decides to bend/break the lore in some fashion. Other players that are not comfortable with bending/breaking will likely avoid interacting with said player. Their membership to this site or lack thereof doesn't come into play, there.
Those that bend/break the lore run the "risk" of running off players that enjoying staying within the lore's boundaries. And yes, the roles can be switched as has been evident in this thread and other threads on this site.Â
Quote:For an ironclad truth it can't really have a capital T and it certainly has a lot of holes, which begs the question of what purpose it serves. It's certainly not for the sake of the new RPer, because those players described wouldn't have associated with them anyway.
"I see it more as a heads up, particularly to those that feel entitled. Namely, those that think that they deserve to receive RP no matter what their character concept might be. I daresay there are a handful of said people in this very thread."
It serves as a warning to those that may otherwise feel entitled, as I stated.
Quote:Privare conversation often enough reflects a degree of contempt behind the advice. Even when it doesn't it's still not a useful chargen tool. It's not for the sake of the community, nebulous as that idea is.
Forgive me, but I don't get your point here. People speaking in private about others not in their circle? This is... new... bad...?Â
Quote:Who does this sobering "dose of reality" serve then?Â
Again, as mentioned above, those that would otherwise feel entitled.
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Quote:I find it interesting too that the people who complain about sensitivity are the first to cry foul when called out on the real purpose behind their helpful advice. Some are so sensitive about their "brutal honesty" they've sworn off this forum entirely.Â
I can't speak to this as I don't necessarily have evidence one way or another.
I do, however, get the feeling that this was meant as a jab at myself which, honestly, I don't recall crying foul. I simply explained and clarified... and even stated that I don't expect people to agree with me.
Quote:Really my only stance that matters is focused around expanding the world rather than shrinking it. Shrinking the world unnecessarily through encouraging a literalist interpretation of the lore; does it actually serve anyone?
I honestly don't feel like adhering to the lore "shrinks" the world in any way, but if that is the way you wish to see it, so be it.Â
As to who it serves? Those who enjoy roleplaying within the boundaries of the lore. Those that like keeping themselves within the guidelines and rules of another person's narrative.
Quote:Just like how the change to the number of Dragoons is seen as unreasonable and unprecedented even with Black Mage suffering similarly before. How much is the ooc distinctiveness of a concept actually worth when you play with a tiny fraction of the server at once?
It is sudden and unreasonable, but it's not our world... it's SE's.Â
As to its worth? Are you wanting a monetary value?Â
I would argue that those that like to stick within the lore find it quite worthwhile to stick to the lore.Â
Quote:It's unlikely there will be as many Knights Dragoon from now on, and yet is it really fair to fault them for simply being late to the party?
Depending upon the player's stance on the lore, then yes... it is fair to fault them. If they wish to stick to the lore and the lore has been presented as thus.... then... yeah, it's their own fault for turning their nose up at the lore that they're trying to follow.
If they don't care about the lore, then how are you going to fault them for not following it? If they don't care... then they don't care. They can have their fun among their circle of friends that don't care.
Again... this leads to that whole policing/witch hunt thing that seems to be on everyone's mind. No one is going to get on and hunt people down for not following the lore. But if you claim to follow the lore, are given evidence from the people that write the lore, then turn around and say ,"nah, ignoring that." ... I don't know what else you should expect other than being told, "Hey... you're doing it wrong."