(12-13-2016, 01:22 PM)Sounsyy Wrote:(12-13-2016, 12:41 PM)Rosehip Wrote: I have a question regarding Miqo'te tribes. I've seen some discussions of the possibility of there being "offshoot" of the Tribes to allow for more than one Nuhn for each tribe, which I think makes sense.
What I wonder is, do we know how common it is to "move" or switch tribe? If it's not very common, it seems like you would end up with quite a lot of situations where daughters were expected to bear children with their father, if the Nuhn kept his position for long enough.
Do we know how Miqo'te tribes deal with that? Do young females move to other tribes/offshoots of their original tribes? There might not really be any info on it, I mostly wondered about it when trying to name X'raj's sire, and whether or not he would also have been from the Lynx tribe
Here's what we know:
Fernehalwes Wrote:When the Seekers of the Sun came to Eorzea from their homelands, there were only 26 tribes. Since that time, there have been some males who, instead of defeating their tribe's nunh and becoming a breeding male by normal means, opt to leave the tribe and form their own. However, it is rare for female Seekers of the Sun to follow these males, so these newly formed tribes almost always die out.
This does not mean that it doesn't happen.
If a male leaves to form his own tribe, he will replace the letter from his original tribe (for example, the "Y" in Y'shtola) with a new one. Since the 26 letters of the Eorzean alphabet are already taken, the new tribal prefix will be often be two letters (Ma -> Ma'shtola) which are of the tribe-forming male's choosing (and all people in his tribe will use that same prefix).
His last name will be Nunh, as he is now the new breeding male (as designated by himself) of his new tribe.
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There are tia within the 26 existing tribes who, instead of defeating an existing nunh, prove their worth to the tribe by extending its hunting grounds. These tia will venture out into the world and claim territory of their own (by either finding somewhere unoccupied, or taking an area by force from another tribe). If they can maintain it for an extended period of time, then they become the nunh of that area, while still remaining a member of their original tribe.
This actually happens quite often. And is far more accepted than merely leaving the tribe to make one's own (which, ultimately makes that person an outcast). This is why you will almost never see Seekers of the Sun with tribal letters beyond the original 26 (like the Ma'shtola I mentioned earlier). There are simply not that many, and those that do exist, rarely admit it, for fear of ostracism.
In the specific case of daughters mating with their fathers, it would require that that same Nunh of whatever tribe maintained his position for at least 15-16 years, give or take. I believe this would be an exceptional length of time for any one Nunh to hold mating rights, but even if it did happen, this would mean that one Nunh had been mating with 20-50 females for 15+ years. That would be a LOT of babies, meaning that the tribe would have grown exponentially during his reign and likely multiple Tias would've expanded the tribe's territory to take on the role of Nunh elsewhere. So, the Nunh's children may be divided up among the newly expanded territories and other Nunhs.
People usually hate the comparison, but something similar happens in lion prides according to some quick internet searches. Most male lions are only able to maintain dominion over their pride on average 2 years, while it takes most female cubs up to 4 years to reach child-bearing age, usually but not always, diminishing father-daughter inbreeding.
That said, and regardless of any similarities to lions, strict in game lore for the Miqo'te tribes seems to indicate that inbreeding (at least between siblings, cousins, etc) might be unavoidable, if not commonplace. When you have 1 male per 20-50 females and most children are also female, unless Miqo'te begin breeding outside the tribe (social ostracism) you're going to get some amount of inbreeding eventually, unless males are so rare that not every Nunh produces even one male.
EDIT: Adding in the in-game example of the U Tribe in the Sagolii desert. U'odh Nunh has only been Nunh for the last 5 years following the disbanding of the Company of Heroes. Meaning that the Tias we see around the tribe are probably not his. So, any daughters he produces will likely eventually mate with one of these Tias when they overtake U'odh's position as Nunh. Alternatively, by the time U'odh's children come of age, an entirely new set of Tias may have become Nunhs, but there's also the likelihood that if U'odh produces a male, that male might become Nunh around the same time U'odh's daughters reach age. Will U'odh's son mate with his sisters? I dunno. But the inbreeding gambit seems to rely completely on luck of the draw of who is Nunh and who the Nunh has pick of.
That makes sense, thank you for your reply! I'll keep my character's Sire from the same Tribe as her then, just wanted to make sure I wasn't making some sort of unfortunate implications
