(02-24-2017, 12:30 AM)Uther Wrote: I agree that some FCs (well, lets say guilds, because I got into this FC in beta and haven't left, so I only have this experience in other MMOs) go a bit over-the-top and don't seem to get that there's always the /gkick function if they invite someone who turns into a lunatic once they're invited, and a lot of times guild leaders needs to calm down and roll the dice once in a while, but there are a lot of shitposters, meta-gamers, god-moders, lore-breakers, and genuinely bad roleplayers out there and you can't blame a guild leader for wanting to deal with them before they're in their guild chat.
Bolding mine. I think this is an interesting point - in my experience, a lot of FC leaders are borderline phobic of the /gkick.
I've been in the position myself of needing to make a gkick of a member who has exceeded their maximum allowed number of conduct infractions and need to be shown the door. I've also been in the position of needing to kick someone who is being so abusive, in guild chat, right now, that they need to be removed immediately for the mental health and emotional wellbeing of the other members.
I feel like... people think... a gkick is only "justified" if it's the latter sort of extreme situation? And forget to either include or enforce rules that say "we may ask you to leave if you're not fitting in" (which is essentially what "this member has made 3 conduct infractions in the last month" is telling you). They try to pre-emptively prevent the situation ever coming about through interviews and trial periods, which is just... not always feasible.
It was definitely easier for me to kick Mr Abusive. It was also easier for me to handle the fallout... or lack thereof. Enough people had witnessed it that there were no "he was kicked unfairly" rumours for me to have to handle. The effect of removing Mr Abusive was immediate, obvious, and positive.
But if anything, I think the health of the guild community was helped just as much by my kicking Mr Maximum Infractions. I was definitely more nervous about doing it - I was worried that people would come after me and say I was being unfair, that we should give him another chance, or that I was messing things up. But it turned out Mr Maximum didn't even have that many friends in the guild. He wasn't integrated or invested, despite having been a member far longer than many of our more active crew, and longer than I had been its leader. Other members weren't invested in him, either, and felt awkward around him - usually as a direct result of the same behaviour that scored him his infractions (stuff like using slurs in guild chat). So there was way less backlash than I anticipated there to be.
The minor yet repeated conduct infractions were a symptom of a wider problem that - because, despite me approaching him after every infraction to ask if there was any way we could help him get on better in the guild, he was never amenable to talk beyond apologising for the infraction - I could not solve: he just wasn't fitting in. And since he wasn't leaving of his own accord, the best thing I could do - for us and for him - was to kick him.
I think a "no hard feelings, but we need to part ways" kick is definitely a tool that goes underutilised.
It helped my confidence in my decision that I'd watched my previous guild leader fail to act in similar situations (particularly abrasive people breezing past the supposed 3-strike rule and getting infractions in the double-digits with no kick in sight) and sworn to do better. But equally I can see how someone with a different experience - maybe all their previous guilds have been problem-free in this regard, or they come from the opposite end of the spectrum, with a former leader who would kick at a moment's notice for no reason - would be nervous about making that kick. A kick is seen as something you only do to bad people, or people you don't like.
But I think that's an incorrect perception. It's just a tool to remove someone from the guild, the same way an interview process is a way to remove someone from the recruitment pool.
TL;DR: Yeah please don't be afraid to kick people, and make sure to include rules to deal with if someone unsuited to the guild does make it through whatever interview process you got!
YET AGAIN i know i'm really long-winded i'm just... like this... i'm sorry
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