(03-29-2017, 12:02 AM)Solenne Wrote: Do we actually know that Hingashi is under Garlean control? I know we see soldiers in Kugane in the trailer that appear to be Garlean, but that's a city that is apparently open for trade with other nations, including, perhaps, Garlemald.
Know beyond any shred of doubt? No, but everything that we've been told of the Empire's conquest is that the Far East is completely under their control. What I think we're going to see with the Hingashi city of Kugane is what a nation who willingly submitted to Garlean rule looks like versus those who did not (Ala Mhigo, Doma).
The Waning of the Sixth Sun Wrote:The new imperial army, now swelling with the might of countless assimilated nations, methodically subjugates the eastern continent of Othard and the remaining lands of Ilsabard, welcoming those nations willing to bow to imperial rule, while erasing those which refuse the Garlean standard.
With two of the three great continents now under its control, the Garlean Empire sets its sights on Aldenard, and in the year 1557, sends the XIVth legion to conquer Ala Mhigo in the first step to bring Eorzea's people under imperial rule.
Lodestone Wrote:One nation after the next fell before their relentless onslaught, first those of the northlands, followed by the sovereign states of the eastern continent, Othard. Employing suppression and conciliation in equal measure, Garlemald indoctrinated the peoples it conquered, thus integrating them into its ever-expanding territory.
It's also possible that Hingashi could've also struck a deal with the Empire similar to the one with Radz-at-Han on Thavnair.
Encyclopedia Eorzea Wrote:The most prominent of those civilizations would have to be that of Radz-at-Han, located on Thavnair-the Bounty's largest landmass. An ancient city-state with a history stretching back thousands of years, Radz-at-Han is best known as the birthplace of modern alchemy. It is interested to note that, despite having a very limited outward military presence, the city-state has succeeded in forging a non-interference treaty with the Garlean Empire, ensuring their independence while mightier nations fall about them, and as thus, Radz-at-Han remains an active hub for trade between Eorzea. However, it has been noted by some that the treaty was only formed so thatGarlemald could obtain items from Eorzea via Thavnair, as official trade between the regions was frozen after the Empire's failed invasion twenty years prior.
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(03-29-2017, 12:02 AM)Solenne Wrote: Also, you mentioned in another post that the Domans tried to go to Hingashi and were turned away before they went to Eorzea (do we know that for certain, btw?). Would they seek haven in a state already ruled by Garleans, the people who just tried to wipe them out?
Yugiri's group of refugees got out of Doma just before the razing of their palace capital. I think it's safe to assume they hoped to blend in in Hingashi, being two peoples of similar racial makeup and cultures - no Garlean would've given Yugiri a second pass there. But after the obliteration of Doma, and Bozja too 15 years prior, I can't imagine Hingashi wished to risk it, especially after submitting quietly to Garlean rule for the last 25 years. The Encyclopedia Eorzea makes a point of calling Yugiri's group just one group of survivors. As we've recently seen, there's more Domans somewhere in Othard still putting up resistance.
Encyclopedia Eorzea Wrote:One group, lead by Yugiri, boarded a great galleon, and in their panic made east across the Ruby Tide for the island nation of Hingashi. Alas, this nation would not risk inviting Garlemald’s ire, and turned away the Domans. They next sailed for Thavnair, where they found the great gates of Radz-at-Han also closed. Starving, they steeled themselves for a single last voyage west to Eorzea.
We really won't know more specifics until 4.0 though. We knew of islands and an island nation beyond Doma for some time, but didn't get Hingashi's name dropped until the lore book. So the extent of our knowledge is really limited to what little is in the lore book, relic quests, and 4.0 info slides from fanfest.
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(03-29-2017, 01:41 AM)Kilieit Wrote: The reason I'm confused is because I distinctly remember them referring to the "island nation" they hail from, and Doma is on the mainland.
The art of ninjutsu hails from the island nation of Hingashi, but not the shinobi in the NIN questline (and Yugiri) who hail from a small, isolated village near Doma, in Yanxia.
Oboro Wrote:My name is Oboro, and she is Tsubame. We hail from a village in Doma, several thousand malms across the sea. We are─ah, but perhaps you have no word for what we are. In our own tongue, one might call us shinobi.
I think you're remembering the story told by Gerolt of Sasuke, the ninja from Hingashi who is credited with bringing ninjutsu to Doma and freeing their people from a tyrannical warlord.
Gerolt Wrote:It contains an account o' how a Far Eastern ninja named Sasuke brought ninjutsu to Doma. Seems ninjutsu was invented in a land far to the east of Othard's shores─same isle as where Sasuke grew up. The bloke was the best ninja about, so he gets secret orders or summat to cross the sea, an' makes his way to Doma. Life for the Doman commonfolk was shite back then, what with the starvin' an' the poverty. The worst, though, was the bleedin' tyrant what ruled the place! Well, bein' the charitable sort, what's Sasuke to do but teach the smallfolk ninjutsu so they can win back their freedom? So yer man trains some ninjas, an' together they boot the ruler's royal arse off the throne, an' put a dagger in his back for good measure. Well, with the dynasty dead, yer ninjas go lookin' for the spoils o' victory. After that, the lot o' them headed to the outlands o' Doma to build a hidden village, so's to live as ninjas away from pryin' eyes.
More info on Doma, Hingashi, the origins of Ninjutsu, and the Raen who live there can be found in this Doma Lore Compilation. Hope this helps clear up some stuff!
