(07-09-2013, 12:42 AM)Black Wrote: First of all, I was gonna answer, I just did not think the previous thread was the right place for it, because it is titled, "Favorite Comic Heroes" and here you are criticizing a chosen favorite of some who have chosen him. That is all. I believe for the good of the topic, that this should be in another thread and frankly, it seems like I am not alone.
Yeah, ad populatum is a great way to prove a point. Except that it proves absolutely nothing. I'm not alone in my thoughts either. Does that make me right?
Anyway, your original point was that the criticisms were unfair. They aren't. They're taken from actual examples of the character in question. Your point is, therefore, rendered invalid.
(07-09-2013, 12:42 AM)Black Wrote: You choose to personally attack me and choose to read into my statement that I will "huddle in a shelter" as you huff and puff about the topic. I did not question your stance on it but you choose to question mine as you, quite possibly, gleefully do not consider the reasons people like Superman and squash their world to conform to your own view. Again, this is another reason I asked this to be moved.
Buddy, nothing in anything I've said has even suggested that people must conform. You're making things up again. You're making up an argument that isn't there. You want to talk about debate rules? That's cool. This is a strawman fallacy.
I don't have to consider how "squashed" you might feel in a discussion in which I disagree with your point of view. Disagreeing with you is not a personal attack, no matter how much you may wish it was (because that would lend you validity that you just kind of don't have here.) If you don't like my points? Throw up some counter-points! That's how discussions work.
If you don't have any (which it appears as if you don't, and are unfamiliar with the rules that you're claiming to follow), then don't bother.
(07-09-2013, 12:42 AM)Black Wrote: And I've been in more flame wars since flame wars was a term. I am not moved by your stance or your debate style to throw my and others views into question. From what I probably understand about you, you really have not read and considered the points in our posts but have decided to pursue your own agenda. If you are a true debater, you do not attack the speaker, you attack the issues.
Super impressed by your internet experience.
I would like to walk you down what was said, now. Because there's a disconnect here. Let me bridge that for you, as you don't understand jack, and are guilty of the exact thing that you're (baselessly) accusing me of. Which is it's own special kind of hilarious.
Anyway, onward:
Here's my post. Click these words to read it again, because you didn't read it the first time!
Here's how I know you didn't read it: It actually contains a tie-in to a seconding of a favorite comic book hero of mine. That's what we call a cohesive argument. We address the issue being discussed currently (in this case, directly speaking Uther on the matter of Superman), and we latch that right onto the main point of the post.
You ignored that, opting instead to feign some kind of exasperation with the very idea that someone doesn't agree with you about a fictional alien from a comic book. Frankly, I don't know why you, or anyone would waste their time and energy on thumbing their nose at a civil discussion with a point/counter-point style of presentation, but you are, evidently, far too experienced and practiced at this here internet for any of us to comprehend what you're getting at (Spoiler: It's nothing. You've got nothing.)
You offered nothing to the conversation at hand (which you could have, if you understood how discussions work), and instead decided to complain, in this very post that I'm addressing, that you feel "squashed". Do you sincerely think you're taking a stand for someone here? Who might they be? Because the guy engaged in the conversation with me was having a blast. We continued it in Skype for hours. Ask him! He'll tell you!
Then we get to my earlier response to you. And it was a response. Not an attack, a response. They're different. With the situation I have on hand, that of course being:
(07-08-2013, 04:17 AM)Black Wrote: :sigh:
While some messages have gone a bit off-topic, this is a thread about "elevating" favorites, not pointing out flaws or denigrating one's you may not like.
Sometimes it is a personal choice what one likes or does not like. I may pick apart your post, but this needs to be in another thread on its own (IMO). It should not be here, where people named their favorites and someone asked *why* do some people favor Superman.
I can only wonder how it is someone arrives at the idea that discussion of any sort, on a forum, that isn't explicitly about the topic proposed in the title (no matter how closely related it may be) is not to be tolerated in a thread.
Why can't people ask "why"? Why don't you want them to ask "why"? Why does it appear as if you can't handle the very notion that someone would ask "why"?
Why does it appear as if you can't handle someone disagreeing with you?
Hell, while we're at it, why don't you adhere to the rules of debate and discussion?
(07-09-2013, 12:42 AM)Black Wrote: Really, I had seen the new thread last night and was going to respond to your initial posts as I signed on, which I see with its own faults and hypocritical points, but I don't feel I should be feeding you or your epitaphs to saltine products or people named Christopher. I feel any discourse would be lost at this point in time. Maybe I am wrong or maybe you can calm down and calmly debate instead of being so over-zealous and acting on assumptions.
These are things heroes do not do, at least in my book.
The worst part about this is that you think it's clever.
Also, you haven't actually pointed out any hypocrisy (I dare you to do it), which makes this accusation baseless. These aren't assumptions, as I'm drawing from the events as they happened, so that accusation is baseless. An epitaph is a poem written in memory of the deceased, or an etching on a tombstone, so that's just straight-up wrong, and it'd only take you like a second to google the words you're attempting to use in order to appear as if you've got a grasp on what it is you're saying (you don't).
The discourse was calm and reasonable before you, and whoever else, started bellyaching over someone not liking your pretend hero. I don't care if you're moved. I don't care if you feel squashed. I don't care what you imagined might happen in the other thread, because I honestly don't believe you have the predictive capability to see into the future.
Seriously, you can't even string together a cogent argument as to why you started wailing to begin with.
Oh, and here's another hint: In order for your point to be cogent, it's gonna need some facts and examples. You get to that, ok? Or don't. I guess you've got a doctorate in "Internet", and are therefore entirely above things like "making points".
Mean time, I'm gonna go discuss Superman in the other thread with Uther. And I'm gonna disagree with him. And we're still gonna have a good time with it.