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(08-10-2013, 05:57 AM)Yini Kihn Wrote:(08-10-2013, 05:19 AM)Clover Wrote: I'm not one of the people affected by it (I even believe that the marriage system in general is useless), but I *think* that their problem isn't limited to how this will affect their game experience. Many people have suffered from discrimination irl, and I imagine it makes them uncomfortable to, in a sense, see it reflected in-game as well.
That's exactly the point. Furthermore, the sort of comments I'm seeing here, e.g. "you can RP being married regardless", feel awfully reminiscent of the sort of "you can get a civil union and pretend you're married" comments I hear in real life. The parallels to and the reminders of real-world discrimination are what's upsetting people—or at least what's upsetting me—not the mere fact that I can't marry who I want in a video game.
(08-10-2013, 05:36 AM)Reppu Wrote: And even if Square-Enix doesn't allow it? It's... not really discrimination.
I sympathize with your desire to approach this in a constructive manner, but we must be honest about things: This is unquestionably discrimination based on sexual orientation regardless of whether one thinks it is justified or not.
Note what I said following this. "At least, I don't feel it's a major crap on my rights."
Just because I do not feel I am being discriminated, and only me, does not mean other people should also feel this way, and if they do not, that they are 'wrong'. ( To clarify due to english being quirky, no one is 'wrong' for not agreeing with me, sans for the extremes I point out below. )
I simply would not find it as discrimination, because I would be discriminatory toward the Japanese for being up-in-arms about their thousand-year-old traditions. Do I feel they are out-dated? Yes. But I am aware of how powerful traditions can be. I am aware that they are changing, and trying to brute force them, to witch-hunt thoughtcrime is not only injustice to it's core, but just flat out hypocritical.
I will not be discriminative to those who do not share my point of view, nor do I feel they are wrong unless they are purely intolerant, and only wish to see harm to me, my fellows, or anyone in between.
This? Is not only tolerance, but how the world needs to change it's viewpoint. Acceptance and equality is a front every side is fighting. No gender, no race, no sexual orientation is alone in this.
Just because someone is not actively fighting for me, does not mean they are actively fighting against me. Thoughtcrimes need to be put to an end, by those in the LGBT communtiy that practices it, and every other community between.
There is -nothing- wrong with neutrality. And to claim it only harms others, is witch-hunting.
TL;DR - I am not going to scream discrimination at every game with a marriage system for not allowing gay marriage, because I am aware of how protected the out-dated term 'marriage' is. I'd personally fight for this archaic, biblically-wrapped term into something far more acceptable for all parties to agree on, and to rob the zealotric-minded Christian purists of their weakest, but most powerful, defense.
You can't claim 'Man and Woman' if it's not so ludicrously protected by some out-dated text.