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(08-10-2013, 04:07 PM)Meia Wrote:(08-10-2013, 03:58 PM)Twinflame Wrote: I think you're over-accepting Reppu's mischaracterizations of things that have been said in this thread. They is actually very little vitriol being directed at SE over this. Are we calling them discriminatory? Yes. We are calling them that because that is how they are behaving. Are we being sensitive to Japanese culture? No. We are not Japanese and cultural aspects that actively discriminate against us do not warrant our sensitivities. If we have to fight against Japanese cultural norms, then we will fight against Japanese cultural norms.
Nobody in here, as far as I can see, has gone as far as to "act like a banshee". Instead we have been tactfully expressing our anger in ways that, while they no doubt exude frustration and offense, also communicate the source of that frustration and offense.
Certain people in this thread are just misrepresenting these as somehow exceptionally vitriolic or vehement, which they are not. The oppressed have every right to be angry, and anyone trying to misrepresent that as "toxic" or unreasonable is completely in the wrong. And besides, they're responding to tone, which is not debate.
May Rosa Parks analogy is not a response to the vitriolic accusations. It is applying Reppu's exact logic to an alternate situation. You cannot say that the logic applies to this situation but not that one, because that isn't how logic works. If Reppu's "respect the oppressor" logic doesn't work in all cases, then the logic is flawed.
I'm actually not taking sides. I have my stance and I have expressed it in other venues. I don't accept their culture, personally, but I understand where they are coming from. And I personally find it frustrating as well. (I didn't approve of a lot of the things that have gone on in my life due to prejudice against my race and orientation, but I understand why it exists. Understanding =/= approval or acceptance in any form.) My issue is with everyone focusing their energy on arguing with each other when that passion should be directed to SE.
I think Reppu has valid points as well as Unity. Do I agree more with one than the other? No. I think both could take from each other. The Japanese traditionalism is frustrating, upsetting, and not okay, but it is not the same as the religious extremism and execution of homosexuals in other countries. That is an analogy I cannot get behind.
And I'm willing to admit I was wrong in my interpretation of your intention with mentioning Rosa Parks.
I don't believe there are sides in here, so I wouldn't really accuse you of being on one. Apologies if I said something that might have implied such.
I think the conversation going on in here is kind of ridiculous at this point, since it's mostly people who say they agree with us telling us that we are making good arguments in the wrong way, which, how productive is that? Reppu has valid points dappled with disrespect and reactionary language, so it's not really going to get him anywhere. The crux is that certain folk seem to think this isn't worth getting angry about, or that discrimination hasn't happened yet. The mere suggestion that same-sex marriages might not happen portrays it as abnormal, so the discrimination has already occured.
Incidentally, I'd ask that people stop lumping Unity together. Unity has a lot of members in this community and we all have different opinions, even on this. Our opinions are given individually. It's not like I think whats-his-name is speaking for all the Blades of Nald'Thal.
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