(08-22-2013, 07:18 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:(08-22-2013, 07:12 PM)Jomoru Wrote:(08-22-2013, 07:02 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: I think random dungeon finders can have a negative impact on a server community, as I saw in WoW from Wrath of the Lich King to present day.
However, there are a lot of other factors that play into that. Â It's not like, one thing. Â There are many other factors in FFXIV that will offset any negativity you see in the dungeon finder.
I'm going to be playing a main spec healer, but I'm sure I'll get around to tanking and DPSing at some point. Â I'd love to be a part of this if there's ever room. Â
I didn't find Wow's community have changed much before or after Dungeon finder. Â When I was with a group I knew, they were awesome. When it wasn't even if it was same server it was a coin flip. I got plenty of abuse with people from my same server tanks who couldn't tank shit, healers who couldn't heal shit, DPS who attack whatever they want and ignore Cc, etc
The only thing DF cut out was "wait around 3 hours looking for group because I'm a mage" That's why I think DF is seen as so bad. You get to see more of Wow's community in a quicker period of time.. and alot of it is shit people.
On the otherhand dungeons are always more fun with friends rather than silently compitent types who never speak up.
I have had a different experience. Â The community from BC and the community now in MoP are very different, and Dungeon Finder is part of that. Â However, like I said, it's just a single piece in a rather large puzzle. Â In the case of FFXIV, I don't think it will be an issue.
Incidentally, the issue with DF and "shit community" is that when you are forced to queue with people from your server, you have a social investment in behaving and doing your best (or else you'll be blacklisted). Â Dungeon Finder removes that.
That was not my experience in BC. I had alot of Horror stories that made me quit for a time. For a month I had an awesome group running then drama. BC had just as much potential for horrible runs its just you did so much fewer of them they didn't add up.
And I got plenty of drama, bullshit posturing, "Who cares about my rep I'm a tank" in BC. PUGS have always been what they are DF just makes it so you take less time getting one.
Now if you actually have personal connections to people, then its not a Pug.
(08-22-2013, 07:24 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:(08-22-2013, 07:21 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote: There's a common misconception that just because you're on the same server as someone they aren't going to royally suck, or they won't ninja your gear. This couldn't be further from the truth, after all you never know when someone on the Duty Finder is from your server (unless you ask), and during Phase 2 and early Phase 3 I got ninja'd a LOT on gear, having healers roll on +Int gear or an Archer that was rolling on every piece of caster gear he could get because it was All Class instead of DoM. The Archer was even on Balmung so.... yeah. Like I said, people fearing that Duty Finder will be the end of server cohesion are just being paranoid.
Actually, that isn't what I was talking about. Â You may get a bad player, or a ninja.
And then you can tell your friends, and their friends, about said bad player. Â And if they're bad enough, or pull the same behavior enough, they will find themselves without people to do dungeons with.
If they are a tank or a healer, guess what? That doesn't really work. There will always be DPS who need Tanks healers, even ones who are horrible.
