(09-11-2013, 03:31 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:I agree with her on this...(09-11-2013, 06:43 AM)Rahal Wrote: It's not too bad at Lv50. BLM, DRG, MNK and BRD are all in high demand so you rarely have any issue with getting into a group as one if you ask around.
The main issue is that the average player is bad at teamwork. People tend to take on a "well it's his/her problem" mentality when it comes to taking responsibility in a group.
Let's use a patrol linking to a fight with a 4 man group of a WAR, WHM, BLM and MNK as an example. The patrol charges at the party, aggros the WHM due to healing aggro and kills him/her, resulting in a messy wipe. Whose fault is this?
If you answered 5: All of the above, then you would be correct. Everyone needs to take responsibility. Rinh is completely right. People need to earn how to work together as a team and take responsibility and not only that, take initiative. I've prevented many messy wipes by being proactive with my Sleep on nearby patrols on BLM for example.
- The WAR, for picking a bad place to fight and not picking up the adds?
- The WHM, for not Reposing the patrol as they got close and not running to the tank with the adds they aggro'd?
- The BLM, for not using Sleep or Freeze to stop the patrol and controlling the adds in the first place?
- The MNK, for fighting too close and not off tanking the patrol?
Disagree. Â From a healing perspective, if I Repose a mob in a group, the rest immediately aggro on me. Â Even if I get to the tank in time, 9 times out of 10, he won't be able to pull them off me fast enough to keep me from dying. Â The best thing for me, as a healer, to do is to simply run to the other side of the tank and pray. Â Even if I hit Shroud of Saints, if I'm the only person with threat on those adds (and I will be if I'm healing the tank, which I will almost certainly be doing since we're dealing with another pack), it won't matter. Â They'll still come straight for me. Â And because Regen is a primary mana-saving healing tool, there's an extremely high probability that I'll get threat before anyone else no matter what I do - because I can't click the HoT off another player. Â They have to do that themselves, and by the time they do (assuming they even think to do so), it's too late.
So honestly, as a WHM, there's not a hell of a lot I can do to control anything in this situation, especially if the tank is already being beaten on (since I can't really stop for 3 seconds to try to get a Repose off that one of the DPS or the tank is going to break almost immediately) and risk the tank dropping.
The bulk of the blame is just basically situational awareness. Â If you see a patrol approaching, the best thing to do would be to back away. Â But the tanking game being as it is, it's hard to watch chat, the area around you, and do your job, so I can't completely blame the tank.
Wipes happen.
Also.. Not trying to sound mean or anything but why is there a thread for this? :l Dps queues have always been like this in any mmo with a 'duty finder'. Just gotta befriend a tank or healer and ask them/join them when they do stuff.. Saves the hassle with dealing with annoying derpy randoms.
Edit: Also I'm a Warrior tank and if you need a queue for any dungeon 1-50 (Except AK.. I tend only to do that annoying place with people I know a bit, sorry.) Hit me up and if I'm not busy or anything I most likely will not decline your request for help. I <3 the Titan fight btw.. Just saiyan.
