But...them being defeated is part of lore. How can you say what parts of established lore you'll follow, and which you won't? I mean, yes, they're presented as nigh insurmountable forces of nature, but it's established that it can, and HAS, happened in the past, oft repeatedly. My biggest question is if you're going to allow gameplay things like the egis as proof that a PC can defeat them, why can't someone say that because the game's main story said they solo'd Ifrit, they did? The problem with drawing the line in the middle is that everyone has a different idea of exactly what the middle is, especially once you start mingling gameplay concepts with conceptual and lore concepts.
