(09-12-2013, 12:10 PM)C Wrote:(09-12-2013, 07:45 AM)Ashren Snow Wrote: Keep in mind that Ifrit and Garuda were around during 1.0 as well which meant there were plenty of chances to defeat them before even the Battle of Carteneau, the current storyline merely suggests that no one has really managed to defeat Garuda since the Warriors of Light disappeared, though...
This is an excellent point, particularly since we live on a Legacy server. In the 15 years after the lifting of the veil on Silvertear Lake, ample opportunities may have existed before the Beastmen really refined their methods of summoning. This also lends credence to the depth of the list maintained by the Immortal Flames.
(09-12-2013, 09:00 AM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: I would argue that a very vocal group of RPers on this forum has indicated that they ignore all story (and thus lore) from the main scenario quest, but that in aggregate, they're a minority. The majority of RPers most likely take from the MSQ generic bits, pieces, and themes that can apply to any character and that they feel fit their character concept -- such as, say, defeating one or more Primals in battle, having the Echo, having an airship pass, working for the Scions, or joining a Grand Company.
EDIT: It occurs to me that I should probably clarify my statement about the MSQ. When I say "generic bits, pieces, and themes," I refer to the end results, not necessarily the exact way the MSQ portrays it happening. For instance, you may defeat Ifrit in some totally different way, get an airship pass by pickpocketing someone with one, or not even know you have the Echo -- you just know you can't be Tempered for some reason. That's what I mean by being "generic."
I think that the statement "ignore all story (and thus lore)" is extreme and dangerously close to misrepresenting my position since I never said to ignore all story and ignore all lore. In fact, I'm doing precisely what you say most RPers do--steal elements. I've taken the Echo, for instance, albeit a different and likely never to be self-realized form of it, and membership with the Grand Company. But fair enough, I see your point all the same and the wisdom in it. Especially because I've picked and chosen, I shouldn't be judgemental of others who've done the same.
That said, I expect stellar stories from those of you who will claim to have bested of Titan and Garuda! Hehe. I will be highly discerning on that front.
Tangential, but there's a part of the main storyline that I think really refers to the rest of us players and sets up the game universe in which the NPCs mention the contributions made/to be made by elite cadres of adventurers. Still doing great things, but doing different great things. That's where I place everyone and why it is okay to have outliers. An Umbral era, after all, should be as much a time for heroes as it is a time for suffering.
I guess I kind of see your point, but I'll be honest... Â While I myself hadn't planned on using those battles in my own character's background, what you (and others) have posted has honestly come across to me as very stand-offish, and exclusionary. Â I mean, if one part of the lore in the game (that being that the Primals are being summoned at an increasing rate, and are being repeatedly defeated by both groups of adventurers and larger-scale groups within the Grand Companies) just isn't something you want to deal with, I have to ask what else from the story you're against having people have in their backgrounds?
TBH, what these posts do is intimidate players like me from ever even trying to RP with players like you. Â Because I can't help but wonder if you wouldn't look down your nose at the story for my character.
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