(10-12-2013, 07:55 PM)Faye Wrote: Acknowledging =/= respecting/obeying
But that's kind of my point. Â I don't understand why you can't seem to see that, other than maybe I'm wording it really badly.
Acknowledging that you are nobility in character is, in fact, doing just that. Â Now, that doesn't mean my character has to respect you, or obey you. Â But it does mean that in-character, I am accepting the fact that you are nobility, with all of the benefits that are supposed to come with that.
Quote:It does not put any character under the power of the nobility. The other character could be of equal or greater social standing than the noble, the other could simply not respect nobility/authority, etc. Nobility is not supreme power.
No, but if I'm playing a Commoner, or just an average joe, if I acknowledge that you are a noble, I would feel obligated to RP that out. Â And some people simply don't want to deal with it, so they aren't going to acknowledge you. Â Sorry, but there you have it.
Quote:A good example would be this: I live in a really small town. The mayor of our town, to the rest of the world, to the rest of the state, and hell, to a large portion of this city, is no one of great significance. (Admittedly, I forgot his name, even, until I just now looked it up--whoops). However, if I bumped into him unexpectedly on the street, I would be a little startled. I wouldn't be star-struck like I just met a celebrity. If he told me to bow down before him, I'd refuse. I don't care that he has higher social-standing than I do, and even with that "power" over me, he couldn't force me to do anything. Still, I would probably think to myself, "Whoa, I just randomly met the mayor, that's kinda weird."
Yeah, but you're still not getting it. Â No one is obligated to accept your RP. Â If they do, awesome! Â But some people may not wish to accept your RP as a Noble because, by extension, it would cause their characters to behave in a certain fashion and they either don't want to deal with it, or just flat out don't trust you to not abuse a situation like that.
Quote:Or an in-game example: One day at the Quicksand in Ul'dah, my character happened upon a Miqo'te woman calling herself a Princess. My character, of course, thought what most rational people would: "Why would a Princess be hanging around a seedy tavern proclaiming that she's royalty? What Princesses even exist in the world? Why would a Miqo'te be royalty?" My character rolled her eyes, but decided to play along and humor her. Did my character respect her? No way; she didn't even believe her. However, she did acknowledge her. Meanwhile, another character in the tavern acknowledged her in another way: in reverence and awe that he had met "royalty!"
Which is your choice. Â But, again, not everyone is going to do that. Â And you can't make them. Â And you shouldn't want to make them, because if it isn't fun for them, they shouldn't be doing it in the first place.
Quote:However, most people seem to shrug off and ignore other character's titles entirely, like it had never been mentioned or heard. And if that's what your character would do because of his/her personality, that's totally okay--but that seems to be an unrealistically common reaction in role-play, which is what I'm trying to say.
Probably has 0 to do with their characters, and everything to do with not wanting to deal with yet another person RPing a high falutin' noble. Â Their response is probably not at all IC, and has everything to do with OOC reaction.
Quote:You should not need to ask other people's permission and approval to RP your character how you wish. All characters have strengths or benefits that other characters may not possess. Is your character strong? Intelligent? Fast? Attractive? Talented? Most people can answer yes to at least one of those. Should you have to check with the people you're RPing with to make certain it's okay your character is attractive, for example, because their character may be unattractive so in a way you could be one-upping them? Of course not. That's a silly notion. Characters should not be equal on all grounds. If that were the case, we'd all be RPing essentially the same person. It's not "god-modding" to give your character strengths or positive traits.
Sure. Â But it goes both ways - if someone doesn't want to acknowledge your RP, then they don't have to. Â If you want to get the feedback of playing a Noble, you need to find a group of players who want to RP that aspect.
Quote:That's why I think the purpose of this thread--sort of coordinating the nobility and setting up some "lore" of our own--could help ICly discourage that by actually giving rogue nobles some negative sanctions for their actions and set up some RP involving nobles who act like nobility.
Your "lore" would be fanon, which is fine, but should not be labeled Lore (since it's not). As far as the rest, I don't think you're going to succeed in doing that in an MMO. How exactly are you going to "enforce" your rules? The only way this works is if you restrict it to a group that wants to be involved in this RP. It won't work if you try to apply it to people not affiliated with your group - no matter how "rogue" their actions may appear.
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