What about Elder Primals? Things like Bahamut and Odin, I'm pretty sure either simply don't temper, or are incapable of it in the whole. Ascians try to summon Bahamut, but not out of any tempering, since the first the world saw of him in ages was the calamity, and there's no way that tempered people would live from before history until now. Since there's no evidence that they even -can- temper, what would the consensus on that sort of thing be?
