The main problem I foresee with Red Mage is that when it is released, it will have to be quite different than the "classic" idea of the Red Mage job, just like how most of the classic FF jobs already implemented in game are quite different thematically than their predecessors. Traditionally, Red Mage is a jack of all trades. A fencer, a black mage, a white mage, and a (de)buffer all rolled into one. The obvious problems with this are:
-Swords are claimed by GLA both lorewise and via armoury system.
-"Succor" is the magic of the Elementals and lorewise exclusive to White Mages.
-XIV does not do pure buff or debuff classes. Every class has to have offensive and defensive capabilities for solo purposes. Every single class already has several debuffs of their own. A debuff class would be pretty superfluous. Not to mention, debuff classes suffer in fights where bosses are immune to most debuffs.
-No two classes can use non cross-classed abilities. For example, Red Mage could not use Fire.
What I can see is a melee fighter of some kind who, instead of actually using conjury or thaumaturgy spells, uses magic that captures the essence of those spells. Similar to how Egis are essences of the Primals. Spells like Enfire. Not actually casting fire, but imbuing their weapon with a certain element, which will either grant them a particular stance or buff or perhaps unlock specific abilities. If they make it so that by comboing certain elements and stances back to back, Red Mage could make for a very fun and busy job. And it'd be cool if the last tier of whatever melee combo could end in a quickcast magic blast.
Actually a White Mage is defined as a user of Succor. So the use of any Succor magic would set you apart as a White Mage, not a conjurer. The player character's knowledge of Succor may be minimal in comparison to a Padjal who has studied it their whole life, but having the ability to even use Succor still makes you a White Mage.
Kan-E-Senna is actually a White Mage as well, by the way.
Black Magic is chaos and destruction. White Magic is control and balance. Black Magic is usually what opens the Void. It rarely seems to close it. Where as White Magic is used to seal Voidgates on a couple occasions.
And Thaumaturgy is not purely offensive. Thaumaturgy can restore one's life force and aether, as well as commune with or resurrect the dead. Something which Black Magic had never accomplished.
-Swords are claimed by GLA both lorewise and via armoury system.
-"Succor" is the magic of the Elementals and lorewise exclusive to White Mages.
-XIV does not do pure buff or debuff classes. Every class has to have offensive and defensive capabilities for solo purposes. Every single class already has several debuffs of their own. A debuff class would be pretty superfluous. Not to mention, debuff classes suffer in fights where bosses are immune to most debuffs.
-No two classes can use non cross-classed abilities. For example, Red Mage could not use Fire.
What I can see is a melee fighter of some kind who, instead of actually using conjury or thaumaturgy spells, uses magic that captures the essence of those spells. Similar to how Egis are essences of the Primals. Spells like Enfire. Not actually casting fire, but imbuing their weapon with a certain element, which will either grant them a particular stance or buff or perhaps unlock specific abilities. If they make it so that by comboing certain elements and stances back to back, Red Mage could make for a very fun and busy job. And it'd be cool if the last tier of whatever melee combo could end in a quickcast magic blast.
(04-21-2014, 04:36 PM)JFrombaugh Wrote: But another explanation many people have on the subject is that even if a character DOES canonically know the abilities from the WHM storyline, that still doesn't qualify them as a true White Mage because they only bothered to learn what the Padjal deemed the least damaging and most fitting for them. 80% of the spells you use still come from Conjury after all, and Ken-E-Senna is the most powerful Padjal despite (presumably) not actually knowing any White Magic.
Actually a White Mage is defined as a user of Succor. So the use of any Succor magic would set you apart as a White Mage, not a conjurer. The player character's knowledge of Succor may be minimal in comparison to a Padjal who has studied it their whole life, but having the ability to even use Succor still makes you a White Mage.
Kan-E-Senna is actually a White Mage as well, by the way.
(04-21-2014, 04:36 PM)JFrombaugh Wrote: The problem with that is that it's Black Magic that's used for balance (sealing the Voidgate and other portals to the void) while Thaumaturgy is simply used as a means of offense.
Black Magic is chaos and destruction. White Magic is control and balance. Black Magic is usually what opens the Void. It rarely seems to close it. Where as White Magic is used to seal Voidgates on a couple occasions.
And Thaumaturgy is not purely offensive. Thaumaturgy can restore one's life force and aether, as well as commune with or resurrect the dead. Something which Black Magic had never accomplished.
