(07-14-2014, 12:12 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: The plot is supposed to run for a month or so. Large sources of water are lost to the city, setting the distraught tone for Phase 2. Everyone is restless and thirsty and tired. I don't think Askier meant that the entire world is fucked, just that there's enough damage and casualty to give the city some severe tension. Those of us who are on the Good Guy Brigade have a week of moving bodies, fending off riots and rationing water to work with going into the next session.Oh my, I stop checking my thread for a day and look what happens! lol. Alright, I am going to do my best to answer the valid points here and hopefully work a decent compromise to all this. Before starting, I do appreciate constructive feedback, good or otherwise, so let us begin. *crackles knuckles and begins*
I kind of like it. Phase 1 is just applying the DoTs before the DPS starts in earnest for Phase 2.
Disclaimer: Not talking for Askier, just pointing out how I see it.
I certainly have no intention of fucking the world of Eorzea, which I -very- much enjoy , and I did not poison any water source outside of Ul'dah. The amount of poison used was enough to contaminate water sources in Ul'dah, no more. Just like a real poison, too much water would disperse the poison out over to great an area and eventually render the said toxin useless.
(07-14-2014, 12:24 PM)Roen Wrote: I think the consequences for all those that were collared and willingly took part in poisoning of the waters to result in hundreds unaware that would/could die from it...I love seeing the consequences of my rp actions, hence why Askier is missing an arm.  Jin'li is going to be dead after this event. I went into this event with this plan and he will suffer his consequences because he must. Though all those whom have -helped- Jin'li thus far were completely unaware of his poisoning plans. This was one hundred percent intentional.
I think *that* is what I am looking forward to the most at the end this.
Yes. I absolutely think there needs to be consequences for every action taken in RP. Else nothing holds weight.
I am super excited to see how things play out.Â
(07-14-2014, 12:46 PM)Melkire Wrote: Some OoC commentary from Mr. Saturday Cartoon Villains Organizer is in order. Warning: here be potential spoilers regarding bygone events.
1. No one on the offensive knew exactly what they were causing a distraction for. The one most in the know was Osric, who only knew that Jin'li would be inside the city and up to... something.
2. Fun fact: Southern California imports the majority of its water from the Colorado River. That means that Los Angeles, one of the largest cities in the United States, is extremely dependent on a non-local source in order to support its population, to the point where the local drought this past year forced local and state governments to consider water restrictions/rationing. Supporting a large population with imported resources is difficult, but not impossible. I've heard tidbits here and there from Kahn'a: apparently there are already several efforts underway to shift Ul'dahn dependence from local to non-local sources.
3. Bottled drinks should still be safe, meaning repercussions for unwitting patrons of the Quicksand and other such establishments should be, for the most part, nil... as those drinks would have been bottled prior to the Atrocity (I like that name). This might be enough to hold over parts of the population.
4. IRL, the average human can go for up to 100 hours (three to four days, usually) without water. Same should go for Hyur, and from there you can extrapolate expected needs for the other races.
5. There will definitely be consequences and repercussions for those involved in the event. There's no getting out of this cleanly for anyone who works, willingly or otherwise, for Jin'li.
6. This is what happens when you let the flashy, nonsensical frontal assault distract you from the real threat. You get Jin'li in ur base, killing ur d00dz.
I deliberately did not poison water sources outside the city, including the river running before the Gate of Nald, so water could still be obtained. There is a crisis inside the city for sure and people who drink the contaminated water will die but with word having gotten out so fast, people can start lugging buckets to the river.
(07-14-2014, 01:17 PM)C Wrote:C, you have made some very, very valid points and I hope I can explain this all well enough . Here goes:(07-14-2014, 12:55 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: Everyone breathe. We're all invested, yes, but we should remember we're discussing the actions of our characters first and foremost.I hear you, but what starting to bother me is the absoluteness of the scope of this.
Osric's post is on the money. This isn't a "everyone in Ul'dah on 7/12 is dead" situation, but it's going to increase tension. It's almost amusing how similar the MSQ from 2.3 lines up with this sort of thing.
There are plans underway to alleviate, but not remove, the looming threat of dehydration. There are plans underway to handle potential events on the way.
The victory means nothing if you don't have to overcome something to attain it.
Every source of water in Ul'dah has been contaminated with a toxin that kills people within 24 hours.
That goes beyond "increasing tension". Speaking personally, what I'd like to know is:This is a large event, and as large events often go, things go awry because people aren't aware of the whole picture. My concern is that this makes it too easy for the villains to achieve victories* that would have long term ramifications which are difficult to play out.
- Shouldn't the NPC guards of the city be able to prevent some of the water supplies being poisoned?
- How lethal is the poison when it's at the dilution it would be in the water supply? What percentage of the population is susceptible to that?
- If Jin'li was able to do this undetected, how was anyone able to find out that it even happened? What percentage of the population drank a lethal dose of the poison before that happened?
- If I were running Ul'dah, and I became aware that this had happened, I'd assume someone was attacking the city. I'd focus on mitigation, but I'd also call up everyone who could hold a sword and ready a defense. This includes both guarding the Sultana (event 2) and the aetheryte (event 3). How will that affect those two events?
This is a big wall of text, I know. I don't want to sound like an Angry Andy, and I don't want to sound like I'm calling Askier or Osric out for putting this together - this is a fantastic arc, and it's been a lot of fun to play in it (as it was to play in their last arc). I just feel that the actual details of these tension-increasing events need some clarification.
1) The npcs could have if they had known he was up to something. I planned, and Warren can verify this because I rped it with him, is that I would walk Jin'li up to the water sources with a barrel of posion, but the posion was in in old whiskey barrels, and he dumped the poison in quickly. If anyone asked what he was doing, he answered, like to Warren, that he was dumping whiskey out because his master was giving up the habit. If someone smelled the barrel, they would catch hints of the whiskey from the years of fermentation inside the wood. So if the npcs had seen him doing this, while suspicious, would have probably just sent him on his way with a warning not to do it again. If I assumed their reaction incorrectly, I apologize but that was my line of thinking and I commuted to it as Warren can attest.
2) For the first day it would remain at maximum potency. However, like all toxins, it would begin to disperse and break down over time. In time, maybe a week, week-and-a-half, the toxin would loose nearly all of it's potency and the wells would be drinkable again because the source of the poison is not perpetually inside the water.
3) Jin'li was caught by Alexei, Warren, Erik, Saravena, and others immediately following his last poisoning. Alexei and Saravena both know who Jin'li is by name and face and Warren had seen Jin'li dump something in a well. Warnings were being send out via IC immediately after I logged back on as Askier after Jin'li escaped.
4) Jin'li is planning on people thinking the city is under attack. The reaction of the city being under matrial law is, in my mind, the most logical reaction and the one that Ul'dah is currently under with curfews, and rationed supplies. Jin'li's goal is, truly, to sow panic. He doesn't -really- serve the Empire, only the voices in his head. I planned events number 2 and 3 to be extremely one-sided for the heroes because of the increased security. Hence why I need npcs for them. Everyone wants to be a hero . lol
(07-14-2014, 01:30 PM)Zhavi Wrote:(07-14-2014, 01:14 PM)Melkire Wrote: Case in point: depending on how things go, Osric may get taken into custody, thrown in prison, charged with treason, scheduled to hang, broken out of prison, and have to flee for his life. Alternatively, depending on how any potential plea is received, he may be exiled, or taken into a black ops unit, or hanged, etc. ...
Orrrr maybe Zhi will finally have a way to firmly put him under thumb and therefore removed as a threat. Â Teehee. Â Now just to update ic knowledge. . .
I hope that any merchant/trader FCs are getting involved in this! Â This is the sort of thing that makes me wish I had that sort of character. Â Legit rp reason to broker deals under tension? Â Yes please!
I really admire all the hard work in the rp that is happening in Ul'dah, ooc tensions aside. Â Do remember that this is only Askier's second event, and that it's impossible to organize things in a way that will please everyone when there are a lot of people involved. Â I think if something happens that you don't like, or you like to be kept oocly informed, just pm the organizers and ask them to next time please give you a heads up as you don't like feeling like the rug has been pulled out from under you. Â That way they can surprise the people who like being surprised while not making anyone feel like they've been duped. Â Win/win?
Keep up the good work, you lot. Â This rp sounds so delicious.
edit - and remember, playing the blame game isn't fun either. Â I know for me sometimes I can do something and be all happy and excited and think it's cool -- only to have someone really upset because it wasn't the sort of thing they're into. Â It happens. Â It's easy to forget that the sort of rp you're comfortable with and love isn't the sort that everyone else loves.
It's rp! Â Rather than feel upset, put heads together and start working out ways to solve the problems at hand. Â Â You're all super talented, creative people. Â I have faith.
I appreciate the compliment Zhavi.Â
My real world job requires I work 55 hours a week, 6 days a week, often 12 hour days. I know, for a fact, that sometimes I let things slip through the cracks on my events, or my rp, because of my work schedule and that is why I always ask that people roll with any hiccups that I know will occur. I feel bad cause there has been so many complications and confusion as a result of this event and it is my fault for not clarifying things. I simple ask for patience and understanding with this event and with me as there are over 40 people participating IC'ly to some degree or another currently and that I deal with an enormous amount of PM's and rp currently. I have never, ever, run an rp event this massive before. My last event was a bit smaller....okay a lot smaller. lol.
Like I told Aya via PM, I am always happy to have feedback.
I hope that I was able to clear at least a few things up with this wall of text.
And, of course, you are all awesome and I love my time on this forumn and in this game. If you all weren't so awesome, I would never have thought to run events like this one and my last one.