(07-21-2014, 02:08 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote: Could you explain to me why this is Ul'dah's problem? They are already doing more than the other city states to help the problem. Also how is lorilito a scam artist, or corrupt? He agrees to give the refugees food, he's not gaining anything from that.
How about this, you may be right that Syndicate is evil, but if so the Governments  of Limsa and Gridania are even more evil by not even attempting to help the refugee problem. If you agree to that, then we'll be in perfect alignment (heh).
As far as I know, both Gridania and Limsa actually took in some refugees, but the vast majority went to Ul'dah. Â There is one incident of Ala Mhigan refugees having issues in Quarrymill, but all you're ever told is that they "sinned against the forest." Â It's never explained what it was, and it's a single Conjurer who makes the decision that they have to leave. Â And yes, that system is ripe for abuse and actually figures into my character's backstory.
But - and this is a big "but," - Limsa taking in more refugees would absolutely lead to either a return of Leviathan or Titan, since in both situations it was Limsa either trying to reclaim land for re-settlement, or outright breaking their treaty with the Kobolds in an effort to secure land for - guess what - refugees.
In the case of Gridania, though they avoided a similar issue early on with their initial wave of refugees, when people started fleeing Uldah and heading into the Shroud, it freaked the Sylphs out so bad that they summoned Ramuh for a second time. Â That's not even touching the fact that the Gridanians live in the Shroud by the good graces of the Elementals. Â Now, we know that they're weakened by the Calamity, but we also know from the White Mage questline that they are still a serious problem. Â The major Elemental you're trying to keep asleep during that questline is described as something that could take an untold number of lives if he was allowed to wake and rage. Â If the Gridanians break their pact with the Elementals - which they would be if they took more Refugees than the Shroud can handle - then they would not only be dooming their own people to death, they'd be dooming the refugees as well.
That said, I don't recall that Gridania was even offered the refugees from Doma, and I thought that Frontlines was - ostensbily - being fought ICly to determine who will own what lands in Mor Dhona specifically to give TO the refugees to resettle (and yes, I know that's not the "real" reason, but that's the reason they claim IC up front before explaining what's actually going on).
As far as why it's Ul'dah's problem, my examples were entirely to your responses defending Lolorito's actions. Â That's why I framed them the way I did. Â As far as the Syndicate goes, I'm not going to go right out and say, "Oh, it's evil to the core," because we don't know enough about all of the members to say that. Â But I will say that it's corrupt to the core. Â
 All the way to the rotten core. Â
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