(02-15-2015, 09:53 PM)Val Wrote:(02-15-2015, 09:44 PM)Kilborne Bloodbane Wrote: I agree that both sides have pricks. The sad thing is that most people believe that those people make up the entirety of Gamergate, when they're just a minority that everyone in the movement distances themselves from.
The problem you fail to see is that it's the other way around. Those people make up the majority of Gamergate, and that's the problem with using a hashtag as your calling card. Anyone--and thousands have already done it--can write an angry tweet and #Gamergate it. It is, and always will be, the problem with having some sort of movement without a definitive leader/speaker. Anonymous faces the same thing. They have people that actually target and try to help the citizens of the world out, and then they have assholes that tarnish their name and do it "for the lulz."Â
It becomes a major issue when these people outnumber the ones meaning to do some good (however trivial I personally feel it may be). As I posted above, I don't see the problem with distancing yourselves from the Gamergate hashtag and trying something else. The movement is over. It's dead, at least under that tag. Major news and media outlets have already associated it with misogynistic assholes, and as we've already established, the majority of the typical populace are generally unable to come up with their own opinion on something aside from what they hear in said media. Find a new hashtag/callsign, pick someone/something that you can unify under that is able to give some sort of quantifiable response and cast out the pricks that will inevitably form under the banner, and try again.
This guy says a good bit about it, actually. A long time ago, and I agree 100% with the video:
http://youtu.be/EZrT--qvz04
"The problem you fail to see is that it's the other way around. Those people make up the majority of Gamergate."
I'd love to see a source for that kind of claim, otherwise you can't expect me to believe it. Unless you believe the singular narrative that the media has spun, which is proven time and time again to be false.
"Anyone--and thousands have already done it--can write an angry tweet and #Gamergate it."Â
Again, source me those "thousands" of tweets. People like that are in the minority, and in every single case, the replies are from Gamergaters telling the person to shut up.
"It is, and always will be, the problem with having some sort of movement without a definitive leader/speaker."
I disagree. Gamergate is still alive BECAUSE it has no leader. There's noone for the media to slander and try to discredit. It's a bunch of people united by a belief rather than their appearances or reputations. Hence why the media needed to create a "everyone of these people are sexist and racist" angle.
"Anonymous faces the same thing. They have people that actually target and try to help the citizens of the world out, and then they have assholes that tarnish their name and do it "for the lulz.""
And because of the nature of anonymity, it's easy to disassociate your movement with those assholes. That image of the ten or so replies to that single harasser proves that point. You can drown out the negative with the positive.Â
"As I posted above, I don't see the problem with distancing yourselves from the Gamergate hashtag and trying something else."
And I could say the same of feminism. Why not take up another title because of the radicals and misandrists that people seem to focus on? Beeeecause that would be admitting defeat. And it's naive to think that taking up another title would solve the problem. What's stopping people from flocking to the new one? This isn't a solution, it's just a silencing tactic.
"It's dead, at least under that tag."
http://topsy.com/analytics?q1=%23gamerga...3%20months
Nope.
"Major news and media outlets have already associated it with misogynistic assholes, and as we've already established, the majority of the typical populace are generally unable to come up with their own opinion on something aside from what they hear in said media"
Media outlets were always going to see them as misogynistic assholes. Gamergate is a revolt against the games media. Guess who's going to misrepresent them? As for the typical populace bit, I disagree. People aren't unable to form their own opinions. Antis are people who don't want to challenge their beliefs by doing research. They see what the media has to say and think "this is true because I think that gaming is full of sexist men, this confirms my belief." They dismiss evidence that challenges their preconceptions because they KNOW that they're right, obviously.
"Find a new hashtag/callsign, pick someone/something that you can unify under that is able to give some sort of quantifiable response and cast out the pricks that will inevitably form under the banner, and try again."
You mean like Gamergate, a hashtag that unifies people by reminding them of a similar act of collusion in history? And again I point to that image of channers responding to a harasser. There's no need to try again, because in the end it will still be consumers vs the media that will slander them.
Also, it's easier to ignore evidence and post epic memes instead of considering differing opinions. Ironic, yeah?