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Kellach Woods · **01-28-2015, 07:13 PM**

(01-28-2015, 12:11 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: (So going with Warren and Kage here in that he's covered because of Hildibrand reveal.)

But um... I don't really understand what you're saying though? If Godbert is on the Syndicate, and you acknowledge this, then Godbert absolutely must be in that MSQ cutscene, regardless of what he's wearing or not wearing. The only people allowed to sit at that table are Syndicate members and the Sultan(a).

What happened is I think when I saw the differences between the screenshots is that I thought Godbert's seat was empty. If he's just covered and I didn't see a hooded figure then sure, no problem. It happened and Godbert voted against for his own reasons that we'll likely never find out (though I hope we do).

The problem I have with introducing Hildibrand to MSQ is just because his tone goes against the MSQ, and more importantly, I fear that the MSQ would ruin him, like it ruins everyone I love.

Seriously name one character that remained themselves and weren't ruined into completely helpless idiots or turned out to be complete villains.

MadWater · **01-29-2015, 01:04 AM**

I never thought I'd feel so bad about getting a Det IV materia. I just now caught up on the story.

Parvacake · **01-29-2015, 02:57 AM**

(01-28-2015, 07:13 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote:
(01-28-2015, 12:11 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: (So going with Warren and Kage here in that he's covered because of Hildibrand reveal.)

But um... I don't really understand what you're saying though? If Godbert is on the Syndicate, and you acknowledge this, then Godbert absolutely must be in that MSQ cutscene, regardless of what he's wearing or not wearing. The only people allowed to sit at that table are Syndicate members and the Sultan(a).

What happened is I think when I saw the differences between the screenshots is that I thought Godbert's seat was empty. If he's just covered and I didn't see a hooded figure then sure, no problem. It happened and Godbert voted against for his own reasons that we'll likely never find out (though I hope we do).

The problem I have with introducing Hildibrand to MSQ is just because his tone goes against the MSQ, and more importantly, I fear that the MSQ would ruin him, like it ruins everyone I love.

Seriously name one character that remained themselves and weren't ruined into completely helpless idiots or turned out to be complete villains.

I can understand what you're saying Smile

Though I see it less as a matter of tone and more as Hildibrand is a different side of the same coin. I think it'd be refreshing if we saw Hildy and co. come around, even if briefly, in the MSQ.

As for the deal with Godbert, makes sense why they wouldnt expose him unless the quest was finished to keep from having spoilers.

Ashren Dotharl · **01-29-2015, 03:10 AM**

(01-28-2015, 07:13 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote: Seriously name one character that remained themselves and weren't ruined into completely helpless idiots or turned out to be complete villains.

Urianger, Y'shtola, Papalymo, Yda, and Cid just to name a few. Many of these characters tend to take a backseat when it comes to getting involved in the story, but I would hardly call them completely helpless idiots, and I'm fairly certain none of them have become villains. They have all remained fairly true to their character through 1.0 and into 2.0.

Kellach Woods · **01-29-2015, 09:04 AM**

Cid is pretty much the only one, the rest serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever, their role having all been stolen by... I legit forgot his name. I remember Alisaie, who only does Coil stuff and I've never done much of Coil, but not the brother's name. All I know is that every time he shows up I'm in for a headache.

Urianger needed Moenbryda to die for anyone to care about what this old fart's up to.

Papalymo/Yda/Y'shtola/Thancred (and the whole ZOMG THANCRED IS POSSESSED was weak as balls btw) are useless post level 10 and even then the only reason they're there was because they put a sack of HP that needed depleting. They could legitimately not be there and just be relegated to questgivers and the storyline would not change.

Also bringing up 1.0 stuff at this point serves no purpose - nobody else can see that stuff, it's gone forever except for those who actually played the game back then.

Steel Wolf · **01-29-2015, 09:08 AM**

I have a suspicion that Yda, Papalymo and the rest of the "useless characters" are going to gain an awful lot more affection with whatever events unfold as 2.5 moves into its third part. Since the trailer had them handling matters during Ul'dah's coming dissolve, I really feel like we're gonna have them turn the corner.

Or at least, here's hoping so.

Kellach Woods · **01-29-2015, 09:11 AM**

Here's hoping because right now we could replace them with cardboard stand-ins and nobody would bat an eye, except maybe we'd notice the cutscenes got a whole lot less useless padding for some reason.

Seriously can we have Yda just never speak again?

Warren Castille · **01-29-2015, 09:13 AM**

(01-29-2015, 09:04 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: (and the whole ZOMG THANCRED IS POSSESSED was weak as balls btw)

It's actually very cleverly done. If you talk to Thancred between story missions, he starts to always sound out of breath or distracted, and he starts wearing a snazzy new necklace a few missions before even that. It's very intelligently and subtly acknowledged before the reveal - not that you'd be able to call it coming, but it's not just a blind WHAT A TWEET moment. They lay the foundation.

That being said, Momodi is in the MSQ, and no one can say a single bad thing about her.

Sounsyy · **01-29-2015, 11:26 AM**

(01-29-2015, 09:13 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: That being said, Momodi is in the MSQ, and no one can say a single bad thing about her.

Momodi's TOO adorable!

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(gods I hope someone gets this reference or my joke will be for naught)

Gegenji · **01-29-2015, 11:38 AM**

(01-29-2015, 11:26 AM)Sounsyy Wrote:
(01-29-2015, 09:13 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: That being said, Momodi is in the MSQ, and no one can say a single bad thing about her.

Momodi's TOO adorable!

(gods I hope someone gets this reference or my joke will be for naught)

Kage · **01-29-2015, 01:55 PM**

Woooosh!

That was the sound that made.

Over my head.

Steel Wolf · **01-29-2015, 03:35 PM**

Potential thread derailment here, but this seemed like the best place to post it just in case of spoileration to others who may have not done it yet.

I ran (finally) WP Hard last night. Soooo fun...but what I'm posting about was the victory cutscene. I just had to say that I am so happy I decided to not skip it. Absolutely LOST IT with lols.

You go, Tonbabies. You freakin' go.

Also as an aside, I just have to say how delighted I am that the entire quest to go there is handed out and turned in to a gay couple.

WP HM is love all around.

allgivenover · **01-29-2015, 04:00 PM**

What's even more interesting about the Wanderer's Palace HM quest is that the gay couple doesn't talk about their being the same gender directly at all as a problem, but they do so about being an interracial couple.

Says a lot about Eorzean culture.

Caspar · **01-29-2015, 04:10 PM**

Something unrelated: I was beside myself with joy when I saw the name of the first boss in Keeper of the Lake. Einhander is easily one of my favorite Square games. Not to mention, the boss functions in a way that resembles the games, using its arm to pick up various weapons to use against you and blowing stuff up strategically to cause damage to you. There even was one that briefly emerged with a shield canister in the Midgarsormr bossfight called Astraea, like the ship in the game. I hope this is a sign Square hasn't forgotten about Einhander and will continue to do stuff with it later. In any case, that dungeon was a lot of fun even without the references, but that personally made me super happy.

Kage · **01-29-2015, 06:56 PM**

Yeah what I saw with the couple who were essentially exiled for their love... it was because they were interracial and not because they were same sex.

It goes to show that the cultural divide of races is far bigger than there would be about same sex couples.

((Almost makes me wonder if there is no taboo because of procreation. For a world where children could be considered precious because of the short lifespans, I would have thought that a same sex couple (by earth standards not able to breed in coupling by themselves) would face much more ridicule. Yes I'm totally joking about it, as if they could breed together etc etc.))

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