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Hihimi · **02-21-2015, 10:46 AM**

(02-21-2015, 10:44 AM)Edvyn Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 10:39 AM)Desu Nee Wrote: we were kinda harsh with how we approached this on this thread.
i don't see any posts that could be considered harsh. OP wanted opinions, OP got opinions

Yes, uncensored opinions that basically are encouraging me to fuck off and never return. That isn't exactly good for new members to hear.

Ashren Dotharl · **02-21-2015, 10:47 AM**

(02-21-2015, 10:43 AM)Hihimi Himi Wrote: I don't even know why this is so taboo, tbh, White mages that AREN'T padjal seem more taboo to me. Mind explaining that, anyone?

The primary reason is because of the Padjal part, they are literally the Chosen ones of the Black Shroud, hand picked by the forces of nature to defend the forces of nature.

Hihimi · **02-21-2015, 10:49 AM**

(02-21-2015, 10:47 AM)Ashren Snow Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 10:43 AM)Hihimi Himi Wrote: I don't even know why this is so taboo, tbh, White mages that AREN'T padjal seem more taboo to me. Mind explaining that, anyone?
The primary reason is because of the Padjal part, they are literally the Chosen ones of the Black Shroud, hand picked by the forces of nature to defend the forces of nature.

Still doesn't make them more lorebreaking than White Mages of other races, IMHO.

Edvyn · **02-21-2015, 10:49 AM**

(02-21-2015, 10:46 AM)Hihimi Himi Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 10:44 AM)Edvyn Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 10:39 AM)Desu Nee Wrote: we were kinda harsh with how we approached this on this thread.
i don't see any posts that could be considered harsh. OP wanted opinions, OP got opinions
Yes, uncensored opinions that basically are encouraging me to fuck off and never return. That isn't exactly good for new members to hear.

you're seeing hostility where there is none, please settle down

Desu Nee · **02-21-2015, 10:50 AM**

(02-21-2015, 10:43 AM)Hihimi Himi Wrote: I don't even know why this is so taboo, tbh, White mages that AREN'T padjal seem more taboo to me. Mind explaining that, anyone?

War of Magi. Same as why you don't see BLM everywhere, they were really dangerous in the past and caused the world to almost lose all magic. While BLM became lost to but a few members and tribal species, the elementals flooded the world so WHM would be lost and confined the teachings to the Paldjaals to balance. Paldjaa's probably are only born in Gridania and any half-brained Gridanian can recognize one so they would be taken and taught White Magic, and only them.

An outsider WHM is as hard to see, since the elements don't trust WHM to anybody but Paldjaa, as a Paldjaa not being taken in, because the Elements went out of their way to give the gift and sure as hell ain't just letting it do what it wants.

Desu Nee · **02-21-2015, 10:52 AM**

(02-21-2015, 10:46 AM)Hihimi Himi Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 10:44 AM)Edvyn Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 10:39 AM)Desu Nee Wrote: we were kinda harsh with how we approached this on this thread.
i don't see any posts that could be considered harsh. OP wanted opinions, OP got opinions
Yes, uncensored opinions that basically are encouraging me to fuck off and never return. That isn't exactly good for new members to hear.

That's a stretch. Albeit I agree some people here were a bit too dry, you're putting words on their mouths, no offense.

Edvyn · **02-21-2015, 10:55 AM**

(02-21-2015, 09:51 AM)Hihimi Himi Wrote: Finally, note I will not go through with this idea if too many people are against it. I know that upsetting someone is an eventuality, but I'd prefer to gauge how many people will get upset beforehand, and abstain if it's an overwhelming no. Thanks!

Ashren Dotharl · **02-21-2015, 10:55 AM**

(02-21-2015, 10:49 AM)Hihimi Himi Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 10:47 AM)Ashren Snow Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 10:43 AM)Hihimi Himi Wrote: I don't even know why this is so taboo, tbh, White mages that AREN'T padjal seem more taboo to me. Mind explaining that, anyone?
The primary reason is because of the Padjal part, they are literally the Chosen ones of the Black Shroud, hand picked by the forces of nature to defend the forces of nature.
Still doesn't make them more lorebreaking than White Mages of other races, IMHO.

The lore team has stated that there are other methods of obtaining White Magic other than learning it the way that the PC learns it, they just haven't delved into that in any official capacity yet. There are apparently forces at work trying to bring back Succor through nefarious means, so while most White Mages are viewed with a certain level of "u wot m8" by the RP community, it's still a possibility if you play it off well enough.

Padjal on the other hand are exceedingly rare because they are only ever chosen by the Elementals when the Elementals feel they need more to help them. Considering the current Padjal have all been around for an exceptionally long time, it's likely that for more to be made it would require an immense threat to the Black Shroud that couldn't be handled by the current collective might of the Padjal that already exist.

It's lorebreaking because there just aren't really any unaccounted for Padjal in the lore, so you would require a lot of hand wavium to wiggle yours in, which basically means the vast majority of people won't want to play with your character. This may sound cruel, but it's how RP communities work no matter what game you're in. It's taboo because as stated several times now, the Padjal are the Chosen Ones, and it is exceedingly frowned upon for people to play anything in that kind of role.

Hihimi · **02-21-2015, 10:58 AM**

(02-21-2015, 10:55 AM)Ashren Snow Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 10:49 AM)Hihimi Himi Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 10:47 AM)Ashren Snow Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 10:43 AM)Hihimi Himi Wrote: I don't even know why this is so taboo, tbh, White mages that AREN'T padjal seem more taboo to me. Mind explaining that, anyone?
The primary reason is because of the Padjal part, they are literally the Chosen ones of the Black Shroud, hand picked by the forces of nature to defend the forces of nature.
Still doesn't make them more lorebreaking than White Mages of other races, IMHO.
The lore team has stated that there are other methods of obtaining White Magic other than learning it the way that the PC learns it, they just haven't delved into that in any official capacity yet. There are apparently forces at work trying to bring back Succor through nefarious means, so while most White Mages are viewed with a certain level of "u wot m8" by the RP community, it's still a possibility if you play it off well enough.

Padjal on the other hand are exceedingly rare because they are only ever chosen by the Elementals when the Elementals feel they need more to help them. Considering the current Padjal have all been around for an exceptionally long time, it's likely that for more to be made it would require an immense threat to the Black Shroud that couldn't be handled by the current collective might of the Padjal that already exist.

It's lorebreaking because there just aren't really any unaccounted for Padjal in the lore, so you would require a lot of hand wavium to wiggle yours in, which basically means the vast majority of people won't want to play with your character. This may sound cruel, but it's how RP communities work no matter what game you're in. It's taboo because as stated several times now, the Padjal are the Chosen Ones, and it is exceedingly frowned upon for people to play anything in that kind of role.

OK, I understand now. Sorry if I upset anyone, requesting thread lock.

Edvyn · **02-21-2015, 11:01 AM**

(02-21-2015, 10:58 AM)Hihimi Himi Wrote: Sorry if I upset anyone

it appears to be the other way round

Kellach Woods · **02-21-2015, 11:03 AM**

Voidsent are far more accepted than you think. I know of at least two people who play as such.

I'd have less of a problem accepting someone learned White Magic from other sources than claiming they are a Padjal. My FIRST reflex will be "If you're Padjal where are your horns? Why aren't you in the Shroud?"

That being said play what you want to play.

Edvyn · **02-21-2015, 11:05 AM**

(02-21-2015, 11:03 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: Voidsent are far more accepted than you think. I know of at least two people who play as such.

who

Hihimi · **02-21-2015, 11:06 AM**

I don't want to cause another argument, please make your own thread so that this one can be buried.

Desu Nee · **02-21-2015, 11:07 AM**

(02-21-2015, 11:03 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: Voidsent are far more accepted than you think. I know of at least two people who play as such.

I for one have been trying to do some voidsent storyline, I'm just working in ways that it isn't simply Mary-Sueism or wholly irrelevant to the character.

Khoure · **02-21-2015, 11:08 AM**

I'm going to preface this by saying I only did the first quest for WHM so I don't know much about it other than only Padjal get to learn it, and that padjal are ridiculously rare/chosen. That, and that one boy padjal was real salty when our MC got the soul crystal/ was allowed to learn WHM

I think that in this case, I can apply some lessons I've learned writing fanfiction. That lesson is that content is a heck of a lot more important than ideas. Ideas are dime a dozen, and their terribleness or awesomeness is largely dependent on how you write. The only factor an idea determines is difficulty. A padjal character would be fairly difficult to write well, and if you get it badly people might jump down your throat. Heck, people might jump down your throat anyways. But almost nothing is impossible to write well. I know RP is a bit different, but in stories most characters can be considered sues when you only account for basic impersonal information and not for the way they interact with and are treated by the world.

In short, I say go for it. In cases like these with very unique characters, it is important to strike a balance in how integral this unique feature is to the character you are writing. If you make it too unimportant, it will look like you just wanted to add some fancy bells and whistles to a normal character that doesn't need it. Base too much of the character around the feature and they will seem 2-dimensional, silly, or the dreaded, overused "sue-like".

Honestly, call me tasteless, but I think interacting with a padjal under some kind of masquerade or glamour could make for some interesting RP

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