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McBeefâ„¢ · **04-14-2016, 01:40 AM**

Honestly, I only hear the GCD complaints mainly from people who haven't done progression raiding.Â

There are so many OGCDs and other things going on between each cooldown, it's not much different from WoW.Â

The sync issues I can't really speak on, because I've never gotten them, even in 2.0 before they fixed the netcode.Â

In anycase the biggest thing I wish FFXIV would take from WoW is itemization. FFXIV has horribly shit itemization, it's so bad that it almost feels like they should make gear cosmetic only. The there is a complete lack of Procs, abilities, or interesting secondary stats. Yoshi-p please.

LiadansWhisper · **04-14-2016, 01:57 AM**

(04-14-2016, 01:40 AM)McBeefÂ© Wrote: Honestly, I only hear the GCD complaints mainly from people who haven't done progression raiding.Â

There are so many OGCDs and other things going on between each cooldown, it's not much different from WoW.Â

The sync issues I can't really speak on, because I've never gotten them, even in 2.0 before they fixed the netcode.Â

In anycase the biggest thing I wish FFXIV would take from WoW is itemization. FFXIV has horribly shit itemization, it's so bad that it almost feels like they should make gear cosmetic only. The there is a complete lack of Procs, abilities, or interesting secondary stats. Yoshi-p please.

I was a hardcore raider in WoW. I raided in US Top 50 and 30 guilds. Even with their fast as hell GCD, I was always looking to get another spell out, as a healer. The slow GCD drives me absolutely bonkers.

And I've had sync issues from the beginning that I've never gotten in WoW. It got better when they fixed the netcode, but there are still issues.

McBeefâ„¢ · **04-14-2016, 02:00 AM**

(04-14-2016, 01:57 AM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:
(04-14-2016, 01:40 AM)McBeefÂ© Wrote: Honestly, I only hear the GCD complaints mainly from people who haven't done progression raiding.Â

There are so many OGCDs and other things going on between each cooldown, it's not much different from WoW.Â

The sync issues I can't really speak on, because I've never gotten them, even in 2.0 before they fixed the netcode.Â

In anycase the biggest thing I wish FFXIV would take from WoW is itemization. FFXIV has horribly shit itemization, it's so bad that it almost feels like they should make gear cosmetic only. The there is a complete lack of Procs, abilities, or interesting secondary stats. Yoshi-p please.

I was a hardcore raider in WoW. Â I raided in US Top 50 and 30 guilds. Â Even with their fast as hell GCD, I was always looking to get another spell out, as a healer. Â The slow GCD drives me absolutely bonkers.

And I've had sync issues from the beginning that I've never gotten in WoW. Â It got better when they fixed the netcode, but there are still issues.

Have you done progression raiding in FFXIV? Just curious, because I hear this a lot from people who's experience of the game comes from lower and mid tier content.

Part of it is confirmation bias though, because if the GCD bothers people enough, they never get into raiding to start with.

Gabineaux · **04-14-2016, 02:09 AM**

(04-14-2016, 02:00 AM)McBeefÂ© Wrote:
(04-14-2016, 01:57 AM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:
(04-14-2016, 01:40 AM)McBeefÂ© Wrote: Honestly, I only hear the GCD complaints mainly from people who haven't done progression raiding.Â

There are so many OGCDs and other things going on between each cooldown, it's not much different from WoW.Â

The sync issues I can't really speak on, because I've never gotten them, even in 2.0 before they fixed the netcode.Â

In anycase the biggest thing I wish FFXIV would take from WoW is itemization. FFXIV has horribly shit itemization, it's so bad that it almost feels like they should make gear cosmetic only. The there is a complete lack of Procs, abilities, or interesting secondary stats. Yoshi-p please.

I was a hardcore raider in WoW. Â I raided in US Top 50 and 30 guilds. Â Even with their fast as hell GCD, I was always looking to get another spell out, as a healer. Â The slow GCD drives me absolutely bonkers.

And I've had sync issues from the beginning that I've never gotten in WoW. Â It got better when they fixed the netcode, but there are still issues.
Have you done progression raiding in FFXIV? Just curious, because I hear this a lot from people who's experience of the game comes from lower and mid tier content.

Part of it is confirmation bias though, because if the GCD bothers people enough, they never get into raiding to start with.

idk I'm doing a6s tomorrow /shrug

I don't like the GCD just because I'm a healer and I can't account for tank's cooldowns/what things people are going to stand in. As a WHM I have.. one mini oh shit button, one big oh shit button and those only work -sometimes- depending on if the server likes me or not. Assize is nice though.

Aya · **04-14-2016, 02:09 AM**

(04-14-2016, 01:40 AM)McBeefÂ© Wrote: Honestly, I only hear the GCD complaints mainly from people who haven't done progression raiding.Â

There are so many OGCDs and other things going on between each cooldown, it's not much different from WoW.Â

I definitely have always felt the sync issue, and felt the gameplay was slow (i.e. GCD issue). I did some raiding in ARR, but not "progression", I guess! One of the reasons I haven't and won't, is just that I never found it all that fun for those two above reasons, and I never really cared for FF boss design.

I always loved WoWs (both its gameplay, and bosses), but I wonder which I am playing now despite all of that? ^^

LiadansWhisper · **04-14-2016, 02:12 AM**

(04-14-2016, 02:00 AM)McBeefÂ© Wrote: Have you done progression raiding in FFXIV? Just curious, because I hear this a lot from people who's experience of the game comes from lower and mid tier content.

Part of it is confirmation bias though, because if the GCD bothers people enough, they never get into raiding to start with.

Nothing like what I did in WoW, but I did have a static during First Binding Coil. I quickly realized that it was not for me - the encounters are too simplistic, the issues with the GCD were a continuous irritant, and as much as I love the healing model, the sync issue was immensely frustrating. Just wasn't worth it for me to try to carve out time to devote to raiding in FF when I was actively raiding in WoW, too.

(04-14-2016, 02:09 AM)Arvid Greave Wrote: idk I'm doing a6s tomorrow /shrug

I don't like the GCD just because I'm a healer and I can't account for tank's cooldowns/what things people are going to stand in. As a WHM I have.. one mini oh shit button, one big oh shit button and those only work -sometimes- depending on if the server likes me or not. Assize is nice though.

The Benediction issue is enraging. It's honestly worse than watching GS go off and not save the tank in WoW.

McBeefâ„¢ · **04-14-2016, 02:15 AM**

(04-14-2016, 02:09 AM)Arvid Greave Wrote:
(04-14-2016, 02:00 AM)McBeefÂ© Wrote:
(04-14-2016, 01:57 AM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:
(04-14-2016, 01:40 AM)McBeefÂ© Wrote: Honestly, I only hear the GCD complaints mainly from people who haven't done progression raiding.Â

There are so many OGCDs and other things going on between each cooldown, it's not much different from WoW.Â

The sync issues I can't really speak on, because I've never gotten them, even in 2.0 before they fixed the netcode.Â

In anycase the biggest thing I wish FFXIV would take from WoW is itemization. FFXIV has horribly shit itemization, it's so bad that it almost feels like they should make gear cosmetic only. The there is a complete lack of Procs, abilities, or interesting secondary stats. Yoshi-p please.

I was a hardcore raider in WoW. Â I raided in US Top 50 and 30 guilds. Â Even with their fast as hell GCD, I was always looking to get another spell out, as a healer. Â The slow GCD drives me absolutely bonkers.

And I've had sync issues from the beginning that I've never gotten in WoW. Â It got better when they fixed the netcode, but there are still issues.
Have you done progression raiding in FFXIV? Just curious, because I hear this a lot from people who's experience of the game comes from lower and mid tier content.

Part of it is confirmation bias though, because if the GCD bothers people enough, they never get into raiding to start with.

idk I'm doing a6s tomorrow /shrug

I don't like the GCD just because I'm a healer and I can't account for tank's cooldowns/what things people are going to stand in. As a WHM I have.. one mini oh shit button, one big oh shit button and those only work -sometimes- depending on if the server likes me or not. Assize is nice though.

I might be strange, but I actually like the precasts and such.Â

I never raid healed on wow, but there is something about doing it in ffxiv that makes it feel almost like a turn based game. You have to map out a few heals ahead what you plan to do, since if you mess up you might not have enough time to do it.Â

It might just be a preference thing, ffxiv has been the only MMO i've liked the combat enough to actually want to raid.

Gabineaux · **04-14-2016, 02:16 AM**

(04-14-2016, 02:12 AM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:
(04-14-2016, 02:00 AM)McBeefÂ© Wrote: Have you done progression raiding in FFXIV? Just curious, because I hear this a lot from people who's experience of the game comes from lower and mid tier content.

Part of it is confirmation bias though, because if the GCD bothers people enough, they never get into raiding to start with.

Nothing like what I did in WoW, but I did have a static during First Binding Coil. Â I quickly realized that it was not for me - the encounters are too simplistic, the issues with the GCD were a continuous irritant, and as much as I love the healing model, the sync issue was immensely frustrating. Â Just wasn't worth it for me to try to carve out time to devote to raiding in FF when I was actively raiding in WoW, too.

(04-14-2016, 02:09 AM)Arvid Greave Wrote: idk I'm doing a6s tomorrow /shrug

I don't like the GCD just because I'm a healer and I can't account for tank's cooldowns/what things people are going to stand in. As a WHM I have.. one mini oh shit button, one big oh shit button and those only work -sometimes- depending on if the server likes me or not. Assize is nice though.

The Benediction issue is enraging. Â It's honestly worse than watching GS go off and not save the tank in WoW.

Tetra is a mini pissoff but I usually don't use it when something is at 25%. I should be able to bene someone at 10%, but I usually use it at 20-25%. Even then it's.. unreliable. I've used it at 40% before just to use it successfully and save some MP in a pinch. Depends on the fight really. Ilwe usually got my back.

Gabineaux · **04-14-2016, 02:19 AM**

(04-14-2016, 02:15 AM)McBeefÂ© Wrote: I might be strange, but I actually like the precasts and such.Â

I never raid healed on wow, but there is something about doing it in ffxiv that makes it feel almost like a turn based game. You have to map out a few heals ahead what you plan to do, since if you mess up you might not have enough time to do it.Â

It might just be a preference thing, ffxiv has been the only MMO i've liked the combat enough to actually want to raid.

Healing things like the hammerfaust (sp? The big faust after the two little fausts on savage) isn't so much precast, as it's spam cureII and hope that tank is using cooldowns at the right moment and isn't autoattacked for a lot right after being chunked. Raid healing on FFXIV is just medica II and sometimes a medica/cure III depending on how stacked up your buddies are. It doesn't really feel... turn based to me? It just feels like.. WHERE EVERYBODY AT? WHERE YOU STANDING? WHY IS THAT GUY IN NARNIA HUH?

eddited to snip out a lot of convo

..and well, the start of hammerfaust isn't so bad but near the end of that badboy it's real ..clenching.

LiadansWhisper · **04-14-2016, 02:21 AM**

(04-14-2016, 02:19 AM)Arvid Greave Wrote: Healing things like the hammerfaust (sp? The big faust after the two little fausts on savage) isn't so much precast, as it's spam cureII and hope that tank is using cooldowns at the right moment and isn't autoattacked for a lot right after being chunked. Raid healing on FFXIV is just medica II and sometimes a medica/cure III depending on how stacked up your buddies are. It doesn't really feel... turn based to me? It just feels like.. WHERE EVERYBODY AT? WHERE YOU STANDING? WHY IS THAT GUY IN NARNIA HUH?

eddited to snip out a lot of convo

"Is that guy actually standing in fire or am I confused? Wait, I just healed him and he wasn't taking any damage....oh, I guess I don't really know where he is on my screen because lolsync."

Years and years of being trained to watch both party frames and my surroundings at the same time...

McBeefâ„¢ · **04-14-2016, 02:33 AM**

(04-14-2016, 02:21 AM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:
(04-14-2016, 02:19 AM)Arvid Greave Wrote: Healing things like the hammerfaust (sp? The big faust after the two little fausts on savage) isn't so much precast, as it's spam cureII and hope that tank is using cooldowns at the right moment and isn't autoattacked for a lot right after being chunked. Raid healing on FFXIV is just medica II and sometimes a medica/cure III depending on how stacked up your buddies are. It doesn't really feel... turn based to me? It just feels like.. WHERE EVERYBODY AT? WHERE YOU STANDING? WHY IS THAT GUY IN NARNIA HUH?

eddited to snip out a lot of convo

"Is that guy actually standing in fire or am I confused? Â Wait, I just healed him and he wasn't taking any damage....oh, I guess I don't really know where he is on my screen because lolsync."

Years and years of being trained to watch both party frames and my surroundings at the same time...

It's like we're playing different games @_@.

I've never had to deal with anything like that.

LiadansWhisper · **04-14-2016, 02:41 AM**

(04-14-2016, 02:33 AM)McBeefÂ© Wrote: It's like we're playing different games @_@.

I've never had to deal with anything like that.

Doubt you main a healer.

During Titan HM and Ex, I would see people who were in the weights on my screen, but took no damage, while other people ended up dead on the edges of the platform from weight damage, even though all of the weights were clustered in the center of the room. On Rafflasia, everyone in my party appeared to be moving during the insta-kill mechanic. Everyone. Sometimes one person would die, sometimes no one would die. I never knew which one it was. In Void Ark, I've seen people dance in the poop on my screen on the Cuculain (sp) fight, and take no damage, while people who are visibly not in the shit on my screen died from said damage.

Â¯\(Â°_o)/Â¯

I have more examples, but those are a few of the most egregious. This is important because it means that if I'm conserving mana, I need to wait several seconds until the damage goes out because what I'm seeing and what's actually happening are two different things. So instead of being efficient and having a heal queued up to bomb on the person who probably just took 75%+ of their life, I have to wait because they might not have taken any damage at all. It's frustrating when I can't trust what I'm seeing and plan accordingly.

McBeefâ„¢ · **04-14-2016, 02:59 AM**

(04-14-2016, 02:41 AM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:
(04-14-2016, 02:33 AM)McBeefÂ© Wrote: It's like we're playing different games @_@.

I've never had to deal with anything like that.

Doubt you main a healer.

During Titan HM and Ex, I would see people who were in the weights on my screen, but took no damage, while other people ended up dead on the edges of the platform from weight damage, even though all of the weights were clustered in the center of the room. Â On Rafflasia, everyone in my party appeared to be moving during the insta-kill mechanic. Â Everyone. Â Sometimes one person would die, sometimes no one would die. Â I never knew which one it was. Â In Void Ark, I've seen people dance in the poop on my screen on the Cuculain (sp) fight, and take no damage, while people who are visibly not in the shit on my screen died from said damage.

Â¯\(Â°_o)/Â¯

I have more examples, but those are a few of the most egregious. Â This is important because it means that if I'm conserving mana, I need to wait several seconds until the damage goes out because what I'm seeing and what's actually happening are two different things. Â So instead of being efficient and having a heal queued up to bomb on the person who probably just took 75%+ of their life, I have to wait because they might not have taken any damage at all. Â It's frustrating when I can't trust what I'm seeing and plan accordingly.

I mained WHM in all of second coil, and yeah, this is all news to me.

I know some people have had to use WTFast, but what I see is always what I get. Generally though I don't look at the actual mechanics, I just watch healthbars and enemy castbars. The exception are the mechancs (like the ones in Midas) that rely on visual cues rather than castbars.

LiadansWhisper · **04-14-2016, 03:09 AM**

(04-14-2016, 02:59 AM)McBeefÂ© Wrote: I mained WHM in all of second coil, and yeah, this is all news to me.

I know some people have had to use WTFast, but what I see is always what I get. Generally though I don't look at the actual mechanics, I just watch healthbars and enemy castbars. The exception are the mechancs (like the ones in Midas) that rely on visual cues rather than castbars.

Yeah, I know, because in FF it's pointless to look at actual mechanics due to your screen not matching what is actually happening in the game, but I've been healing for 8 years now in variety of platforms and this is the only one where watching the mechanics is pointless.

And I shouldn't have to use WTFast to properly play the game. I don't have to use it for any other game.

And, in case you're wondering, this is why I haven't bothered to try to work my schedule around a static. There is no point.

McBeefâ„¢ · **04-14-2016, 03:16 AM**

(04-14-2016, 03:09 AM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:
(04-14-2016, 02:59 AM)McBeefÂ© Wrote: I mained WHM in all of second coil, and yeah, this is all news to me.

I know some people have had to use WTFast, but what I see is always what I get. Generally though I don't look at the actual mechanics, I just watch healthbars and enemy castbars. The exception are the mechancs (like the ones in Midas) that rely on visual cues rather than castbars.

Yeah, I know, because in FF it's pointless to look at actual mechanics due to your screen not matching what is actually happening in the game, but I've been healing for 8 years now in variety of platforms and this is the only one where watching the mechanics is pointless.

And I shouldn't have to use WTFast to properly play the game. Â I don't have to use it for any other game.

And, in case you're wondering, this is why I haven't bothered to try to work my schedule around a static. Â There is no point.

It is fun though! Though the fights sort of lose their magic once nerfs and gear come. I often see fights in other MMOs as sort of a mad scramble, everyone trying to be the best at their particular role while still doing mechanics.

Raids in FFXIV are almost like a dance, everyone usually has to be doing a certain something at a certain time. It's also what makes it frustrating. Square Enix doesn't help things by making quite a few bosses wipe the raid if a single person dies. When it goes well though It's really satisfying. Though not sure I really want to put forward the time commitment for much longer.

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