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Charity322 · **04-29-2016, 11:29 AM**

Interesting responses.

I admit that having 100s of Warriors of Light running around everywhere does kind of stretch credulity. I do like the idea though of being able to join the Scions and fight against the Primal threat, whether you're the WoL or not. It also makes fighting Primals in dungeons etc. make sense and for an adventuring char it does let you make a difference in the world and justify why you didn't just stay at home. So I guess I could just take pieces of the main plot and leave out the chosen one stuff.

One thing I found frustrating about the main plot was the lack of ability to choose how your char would react to situations.

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Guns Blazing · **04-29-2016, 11:43 AM**

(04-29-2016, 11:29 AM)Charity322 Wrote: Interesting responses.

Â I do like the idea though of being able to join the Scions and fight against the Primal threat, whether you're the WoL or not. It also makes fighting Primals in dungeons etc. make sense and for an adventuring char it does let you make a difference in the world and justify why you didn't just stay at home. So I guess I could just take pieces of the main plot and leave out the chosen one stuff.

Well, you can still fight Primals as a random Joe-Shcmoe! The Flames, according to lore, have fought and defeated Ifrit numerous times, actually! They just throw large numbers at him, and take casualties. He can't just temper everything, and he has to consciously do that, so they're able to beat him with overwhelming force. You can also have the Echo, which makes you immune to tempering, anyways! The Echo is not reserved solely for the warrior of light. In fact, according to the lore, a LOT of people have it. Many of the pepople who both survived and witnessed the Battle of Silvertear Skies awoke with the echo, that's when it first started appearing. From then on, many others awoke with it, including every player character in the 1.0 storyline, since that story was less about a special snowflake super hero Warrior of Light, and instead about the Warriors of light, pluralized. They were abundant (and less strong than the current superhero WoL), but not anywhere near as abundant as people with the Echo. It's still RARE, but it's not locked out of player lore. You could have it, justifiably, and thus could fight primals without being tempered.

Warren Castille · **04-29-2016, 11:48 AM**

Adding to that: Part of the 1.0 storyline was Minfillia working to try and get a hold of as many Echo-bearing people as she could. She founded an entire organization (The Path of the Twelve) dedicated to studying and learning and utilizing the gift, and a very many people were found. Most if not all of them went to Carteneau, where not all of them survived or made it out, and it's presumed the others stuck around in the rebuild and/or landed in the world of 2.0 after the timeskip.

Those folks are the ones who end up helping to staff at Waking Sands, and there's an event in the MSQ that deals with what becomes of them.

You can certainly have the Echo without being the Warrior of Light or even affiliated with them, though: There's no guarantee Minfy found everyone, after all.

Val · **04-29-2016, 11:55 AM**

(04-29-2016, 11:43 AM)Guns Blazing Wrote:
(04-29-2016, 11:29 AM)Charity322 Wrote: Interesting responses.

Â I do like the idea though of being able to join the Scions and fight against the Primal threat, whether you're the WoL or not. It also makes fighting Primals in dungeons etc. make sense and for an adventuring char it does let you make a difference in the world and justify why you didn't just stay at home. So I guess I could just take pieces of the main plot and leave out the chosen one stuff.

From then on, many others awoke with it, including every player character in the 1.0 storyline, since that story was less about a special snowflake super hero Warrior of Light, and instead about the Warriors of light, pluralized. They were abundant (and less strong than the current superhero WoL), but not anywhere near as abundant as people with the Echo. It's still RARE, but it's not locked out of player lore. You could have it, justifiably, and thus could fight primals without being tempered.

This is really just a plot device that SE uses to justify a bunch of people playing the game at the same time. It is massively inconsistent with the actual main story, as there is only one Warrior of Light and suddenly multiple when there needs to be a raid or something done.Â

As with most, I just avoid doing the whole main scenario altogether. Val (and most of my characters) are just dudes trying to live life. I find it to be a lot more fun that way than to try RPing special snowflake #15180410 with Drakenfang, his indestructible bastard sword and his bow that always hits its target.

Askier · **04-29-2016, 12:07 PM**

Main plot doesn't affect me or my characters directly. At all.

Now when some people I C mentioned Sultana's death I reacted IC accordingly. Â Large sweeping events like Ishgard opening are acknowledged.

As for specifics, Â my characters no nothing of Scions, heroes of light, or basically anything from the plot. And I'm happy to keep it that way. Â Most people have nothing to do with the main plot when you think about it and if anyone ever showed up and tried to make Hojo believe them about the main plot stuff, he'd probably walk away.

Warren Castille · **04-29-2016, 12:09 PM**

We can't say one way or the other what's just "fluff" and what's intended canon or content: There ARE a bunch of people zooming around the crystal in the opening CS, and it is pretty implausible that the entire population of Echo users are round up and disposed of in the MSQ.

I do think it's a bit random when you're "alone" and when you're in an actual group. The lead-in to CM and Prae tell you to bring people you trust, but then you get random shit like Garuda or Ravana where you just sprout 7 buddies to help you. Then it just becomes weird.

Guns Blazing · **04-29-2016, 12:26 PM**

(04-29-2016, 11:55 AM)Val Wrote: This is really just a plot device that SE uses to justify a bunch of people playing the game at the same time. It is massively inconsistent with the actual main story, as there is only one Warrior of Light and suddenly multiple when there needs to be a raid or something done.Â

No, no. That's the 2.0 story that you're comparing to the entirety of the lore. The lore in 1.0 actually encompassed the fact that there were a LOT of warriors of light, there wasn't just one. The story actually went into that. They all vanished during the calamity, and now we just have one super powered snowflake who can fight anything and come out unscathed. Nobody remembers the 1.0 warriors of light, the calamity caused people to forget about them. It was a cheap retcon, one of many.

Val · **04-29-2016, 12:57 PM**

(04-29-2016, 12:26 PM)Guns Blazing Wrote:
(04-29-2016, 11:55 AM)Val Wrote: This is really just a plot device that SE uses to justify a bunch of people playing the game at the same time. It is massively inconsistent with the actual main story, as there is only one Warrior of Light and suddenly multiple when there needs to be a raid or something done.Â

It was a cheap retcon, one of many.

I can't really say I blame them considering the state of the game at that point. Cheap retcon, but it worked Undecided

Â sorta.

Valence · **04-29-2016, 01:45 PM**

There take is more like the guys in your party are adventurers the WoL (you) hires or go with. It was never stated they are WoL too. That's also where it starts to be schizophrenic since other players think they are also the WoL and you the adventurer sidekick hired for one dire adventure.

But that's no different than the 1.0 take where every player is A Warrior of Light Among Many. You still get to defeat powerful enemies and achieve deeds that only one person has done. You. Not the other WoL. And yet, they themselves see the exact opposite thing.

Trying to find any logical explanation behind a story that should be played solo and was designed as a solo play and is totally detached from the actual average joe lore... sounds totally silly to me.

Yssen · **04-29-2016, 01:51 PM**

It really isn't a retcon at all. It is just a shifting concept. It works like this. There are people with the Echo. There are the people with the Echo that Louisoix teleported through the time skip at the end of 1.0, they are called the Warriors of Light because no one can remember what them and such. Then there is THE Warrior of Light, the guy or gal running around doing all the main scenario stuff. The Warrior of Light does not have to have even have to have been at Carteneau/ time skipped as far as the MSQ is concerned. TWoL is a stand in for your character as you progress your way through the story. They did not get rid of all the Echo users and other WoLs, they are still running around. One shifts the concept as one sees fit. Your story can be the TWoLs, a WoLs, an Echo users, or none of those at all.

As far as the subject at hand, I don't really adapt the main plot whole cloth for my character personally. It is certainly going on, and the things and stuff in it happen. For example, Yssen knows he has the Echo, he knows there is a group out there using people who have the Echo to do stuff. Yssen doesn't like being used. He also thought the whole "Crystal Braves" thing was a terrible idea and was not surprised when it became corrupted to someone else's personal ends. Stuff like that. Yar.

Guns Blazing · **04-29-2016, 02:00 PM**

(04-29-2016, 12:57 PM)Val Wrote: I can't really say I blame them considering the state of the game at that point. Cheap retcon, but it worked Â sorta.

State of the gamePLAY, maybe. A lot of the people i know from 1.0 still think the 1.0 story was better than the 2.0/3.0 story, in most places. Some of the newer story is pretty good, though!

Personally, I think so long as you don't play THE Warrior of Light, you're fine. You can even RP as the WoL if you're going to do it in a closed circle of role players, but if you do that publically, you will probably find a lot of people will snub their noses at you. I wouldn't personally... My character would probably just think you're the "biggest fibber," in her words. I'd still RP with you. lol

Val · **04-29-2016, 02:05 PM**

(04-29-2016, 02:00 PM)Guns Blazing Wrote:
(04-29-2016, 12:57 PM)Val Wrote: I can't really say I blame them considering the state of the game at that point. Cheap retcon, but it worked Â sorta.

State of the gamePLAY, maybe. Most people i know from 1.0 still think the 1.0 story was better than the 2.0/3.0 story, in most places. Some of the newer story is pretty good, though!

I wouldn't know! I skip all the cutscenesÂ Cool

Faye · **04-29-2016, 04:38 PM**

Short answer is "I don't role-play it." Faye's not much of an adventurer, and trying to play the WoL goes against my personal tastes not only of what I find enjoyable but what I find fair to others. I do acknowledge major plot happenings (Gaius's death, new Garlean emperor, the Sultana's "death," Ishgard opening its gates, etc.) since I like for it to feel like the role-play really is happening in the same world and same timeframe as the MSQ, but I try not to bring these things up in role-play, especially without good reason, in case someone may not be up to that point in the MSQ.

Seriphyn · **04-29-2016, 05:25 PM**

If there is an opportunity to handwave RP as an Immortal Flame NPC in the MSQ, I seize the opportunity. So, Castrum Meridanium for 2.0, apprehending the Flame traitor in 2.3 (or was that 2.4?), fighting Vishap, and the final duty of 3.2.Â

3.2 especially excited me since there is a Flame NPC that wears the same armour I've RP'd in for two years. AND he was wearing a full face helm, so can easily self-insert.

Strictly background participation, however.

Blue · **04-30-2016, 09:22 AM**

(04-29-2016, 02:25 AM)Mae Wrote: ... This all sounds horribly complex. I know. In actual practice, though, it's much simpler. One of those things that's easier to show than explain.

On the topic of showing, one of our members has fairly recently offered to keep logs of our adventures. We've been going since launch, so a huge chunk of all we've done is missing, but here you can find the logs of our most recent RP sessions. This includes both social RPs , where MSQ is not involved and character development is the main focus, and MSQ sessions, where NPCs and PCs interact with each other.

http://tales-of-hydaelyn.guildwork.com/f...gs-archive

I wouldn't know which one to recommend for a read, I think they're all pretty good. You will notice lines from NPCs that you don't remember being in-game... that's my attempt (I'm our Pacekeeper, I should've mentioned) to make them feel more "real", as actual RP characters. For further questions, you can address Mae.

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